Sen. Tim Kaine: "The United States didn't inherit slavery from anybody. We created it."

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    The white folks died for their freedom.

     
  2. superbadbrutha

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    They were killed by other white folks.
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    About 180,000 black Americans served in the CW: about 30k died of disease and 10k from warfare.
     
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    Former slaves were granted citizenship, that's beyond restitution. You folks have no cause to try and profit off the suffering of your ancestors…
     
  5. superbadbrutha

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    So in your eyes being granted citizenship was restitution for 246yrs of slavery. Smfh.
     
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  6. jcarlilesiu

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    Merely pointing out that the United States was the last country (in the America's) is the slam.

    Just admit it. You are another one that constantly perceives the United States as a "bad" country. Stop beating around the bush and just take the stance.


    Further proof.

    No. I don't get on board with your ideological hatred for the country, often based on cherry picked and distorted data to attempt to validate your perspective.

    In my opinion, the United States of America has brought far more good to the world than bad. I believe that the USA is a beacon of light to many people around the globe. Though our active are not perfect, and though we have made mistakes, I believe that our intentions as a nation have always been nobel.

    To be quite honest, I'm sick and tired of people, ignorantly I might add, sitting in this country reaping the benefits, completely ignorant to the advantages this brings then compared to most of not all of the other countries in the planet. Most of which who have never left, never lived in another country, and have never served anything or anybody outside of their own self interest.

    A bunch of spoiled children, ignorant to what they have, bitching and moaning about everything. It's like the rich suburban kid screaming "i hate you" because their parents bought them a Honda instead of a BMW.

    Your historical frame of reference is based on BS. cherry picked, qualified data, that allows you to have contempt.

    It's historically inaccurate and outside the frame of relevance when presented in a vacuum.

    All these loser millenials may scream the loudest, but the rest of the silent majority are tied off the BS. If this country is so awful, then ****ing leave already. For ****s sake, stop with the temper tantrum.
     
  7. jcarlilesiu

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    You really want to know why that is? Your not going to like the answer:

    https://www.governing.com/gov-data/...chool-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news...on-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds

    https://datacenter.kidscount.org/da...36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431

    Maybe the problem might be the culture and expectations in the black community? Facts can't be overlooked.
     
  8. JakeStarkey

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    You are putting words in my mouth I never said. Check the rules on that.

    I said the only Cuba and Brazil took longer than the USA to end slavery in the Americas.

    Your hatred for civil liberties sicken me.

    I said only America and Haiti had to end it with warfare.

    Don't do that again.
     
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    First, bru, I believe I read in another thread that you served in the military. Above any political disagreements we may have, please accept my sincere gratitude for your service to the nation.



    This is not a mitigation of the enormity of the deed, in fact, the opposite, it adds weight to same. Attempts to use it in the cause of marginalization fall entirely flat.

    No. I can't do that for you, but I will explain why if you hang with me a moment.

    From the northernmost civilizations to Cape Horn, American natives engaged in slavery; Africa, Asia, the islands of the Pacific Rim or Caribbean and beyond, and yes, Europe, which gave us the words serf and slave, derived from Slav, because of the vast numbers of Slavic peoples who were captured for labor in other lands. For labor, ritual sacrifice, and breeding, slavery has been a common feature of the human condition for all of human history, no one has been immune.

    Sir, there is nothing unique about the black experience.
    The black American experience is not exceptional.

    US/American blacks are neither unique to the NAST, nor the history of slavery in toto.

    The Casor/Johnson case is well documented. Johnson was an Angolan who was brought to the US as an indentured servant. After serving his indenture, he received 250 acres of land from the colonial govt. This was established practice for all colonists, black, white or otherwise. Johnson had 4 white indentured servants and 1 black indentured servant, John Casor. There is no need to attempt to dispute this fact.* Slavery, as we've come to know it, did not exist in the colonies at this point in time. Casor ran away, claiming his indenture had expired, and so began the saga that would lead to chattel slavery in the US.

    *Legal documents/rulings are not discarded after some expiration date. Barristers and courts alike refer to them regularly; we call them precedents.

    Is Anthony Johnson responsible for slavery in the US? The Casor/Johnson case was the first in a series of cases in various jurisdictions over the course of several years, each building upon the others until we had the abomination we know now as US slavery.
     
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  10. Professor Peabody

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    To free black folks. They laid down their lives so blacks could be free.
     
  11. superbadbrutha

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    So a chart from 2011-2012, you got anything more recent this is 2020.

    2010 that report is 10yrs old.

    You do realize that in many of those homes the mother and father are not married and even though the father is in the home with the family because they are not married it is counted as a single mother household.
     
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    So which is it, was the Civil War about slavery or was it about something else. Also who took their lives?
     
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    You can't pay bills with blood.
     
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    This thread has been an interesting one. From what I get, there are a couple on here that wants to blame white America for slavery, yet over look the fact that black Africans actually enslaved the black Americans. They also refuse to give credit to White Americans for freeing Black Americans from slavery in the Civil War. I find these things interesting and it severely damages their argument when you can't accept the FACTS nor give an ounce of credit. The facts are this country was indeed an ugly place for Black Americans 100 -200 years ago and the fact is that it's no longer that place. Racism in America has come a long ways and isn't the number one cause of Black Americans misery anymore. Now their biggest fight is liberal city education and liberal city poverty holding back Black Americans.
     
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    It's not done to be accurate. It's done to instill division.

    White supremacists as well as all the other "something-ists" and "whatever-ophobes" are in high demand but short supply.

    The more they see resistance to the division the stupider they'll get.

    They tore down a George Washington statue last week, I wouldn't be surprised if they demanded monuments to Martin Luther King be destroyed and George Washington Carver.

    They're doing this because it's stupid.
     
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    One, hawgsalot is concerned about what "a couple on here" think, as if that is significant.

    Two, if the GOP would join the Democracy in good legislation we can attack educational and poverty issues.

    However, we have seen home schooling and charter schooling generate some real horror stories.
     
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    Is the claim here really that these statistics are no longer accurate and HS graduation, College completion, and single parenthood has improved? Or are you just trying to deflect from inconvenient truths?
     
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    Sometimes you just have to laugh. Having been granted the most precious thing in life, freedom and citizenship, for some, it's just never enough. Not a single person endured slavery beyond their lifetimes. And not one person in the AA community alive today endured any.

    When do you suppose that BLMs will pay their restitution for the damages, the destruction to the nation that they are visiting on the land? How many billions of dollars do you suppose their collective little temper tantrum is costing this nation. And who do you suppose will get stuck with the bill?

    There isn't one person in my family that ever, in this country, was a party to slavey. Not one. But for some racist folks, because of my race, I own their race money. It's laughable.

    So shake your head all you want, it still doesn't overcome the immorality of your greed.
     
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    Democrats are terrified at how popular Trump is among blacks. If they cannot lie, cheat and steal to get the black vote then they are toast.
     
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    You gotta work to pay the bills. You can't pay many bills sitting on your arse collecting public assistance. You gotta work your arse off to hold your head up.
     
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    bru slavery in america was unique in that it was entirely a race based chattel system. gimme a break bru
     
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    irrelevant. thought you said youd read the thread lol
     
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    we are all supposed to thank White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans for stopping the evil practice they invented?

    give me a break smh.
     
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    there are many massive corporations that were built using plantation profits and many estates owned today that were built by slave traders. if those assets are not relinquished then it will be your tax dollar, maybe even both who knows
     
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    Many Jews say that Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord, hunting men to enslave them and build his kingdom.
     

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