Do UFOs/ETs exist, are they real?

My take on life appearing in the universe is that I think life is not a mistake. It wasn't an accident or by chance. I believe that life will take off anywhere where conditions are favorable.

 

Yes!

Unidentified Flying Objects exist.



Are They All, Natural Phenomena?

Conversely, is there any evidence of alien piloted flying object?
I believe similar pilot and astronaut sightings of alien flying objects moving as if piloted.
Could be their drones.



Moi

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Remember the Vulcans and "Carbon Creek"

 

yes, but the conditions that give favor occur in randomity.

But it's like this, given infinity, it's 100% inevitable. Life occurring isn't chance, given infinity, it's inevitable, only when it occurs is chance.

 

You speak about infinity but don't know about the multiverse, is that right? Because the universe itself isn't infinite.

And, it's the case that life appeared on Earth and it wasn't because of infinite time. In fact, life has started over many times on Earth from various super, natural disasters that killed off life on Earth.

You could say, from all the diversity of life here on planet Earth, that life isn't just random chance, but life is an eventuality.

 

Eisenhower was not innaugerated until Jan 20, 1953 so it was not possible for him to have received any document as president on 18Nov 1952.

 

It was supposedly part of the transition information being conveyed. But, then, If you page back through some post, I also shared supposed eye witness accounts of Eisenhower singing a treaty with aliens.... they get to harvest and eat a few humans per year.

 

Didn't realize that we did transition back in the old days.

So a few humans a year is enough to sustain our Favorite Martians . They must have one hell of an efficient metabolizing system. Sounds like they must be reptiles or insectoids.

 

Au Contraire, Partizan1, you failed History, I take it?

Eisenhower was President Elect on Nov. 5, 1952.

Yes, President Elects are briefed before taking office.

 

Meh, if I were an alien with a space ship, I sure as hell wouldn’t be F’n around near Roswell. I would crash mine in Cancun sometime around spring break.

 

Let's take a very sober and pragmatic look ...

How many solar systems are there in our Galaxy - the Milky Way?
According to all sources, there are approximately 200 billion solar systems only in the Milky Way ... and there are hundreds of billion galaxies with hundreds of billion solar systems each in our universe ... and several scientist start to think that there are several universes existing (no, I don't mean mirror or parallel universes)...

And we on our planet in our solar system in our Galaxy should seriously be the only advanced form of life ...? Seriously?

As for the UFO sightings ... many can certainly be explained by some natural phenomena, confusion, planetary constellations or are actually secret military projects, as there are of course attempts at deception and fraud ... but much cannot be explained.
In this context I find it ridiculous to see idiotic attempts to explain something because of psychological mass hysteria that was the reason to see something what was not there or suddenly it is a radar error etc. ...

As for the distances with light years etc. ... let's put it this way: it is good to list physics and physical laws ... only how was physics set up here around 300 years ago with what knowledge and which laws?
Not the one from today ... and what if "Alliens" here are 300 years ahead of us, eh?

 

I could not have failed history I am history. Of course Ike was elected in 1952 but the "document" you were evoking did not say "transition " briefing it just said briefing. Yes that is being picky. To make the story of contact with aliens believable and that it was kept a secret all of these years except for some secret select group one would need to suspend logic. Speaking of history we as a nation have not been able to keep a secret. So how did we keep MAJESTIC a secret.

I further find it odd that there are people who claim that only Republican presidents are briefed about the contacts with aliens. Really! Did you believe that?

 

And really briefed on everything?

The question arises seriously when you start to discuss with the conspiracy people themselves, or with those who believe in a deep state where the president is often just a puppet only as they say.

But even without this conspiracy clowns ... a US president and no matter which one and whether democrat or republican is actually and fully briefed informed about really everything ... or more detailed as example, a US president actually gets the full answer and true information if he asks "which super dupa stealthy can everything planes and drones" are currently be tested in all top and ultra secretly etc.?

A good queston ... by law he must be informed, but all know that theory / by law and reality are all too often 2 different things...

 

PARTIZAN1's premise was that Eisenhower was inaugurated in 1953, and was 'therefore' impossible to have been briefed on Nov 18, 1952, the date of the Eisenhower Briefing Document.

Given that he was elected on November 5, 1952, his premise is not even logical. He was president elect on the date in question, and, historically speaking, president elects are briefed by intel on all sorts of matters pertinent to the duties of the office, and knowledge of UFOs fits squarely in that paradigm.

Therefore, my reply utterly demolish his premise. Now then, we can debate whether or not the document is genuine, that is the only matter up for debate on that document. If we assume the document is genuine, I find it rather silly to debate whether or not the briefing occurred, that makes no sense.

If you read all the authentication protocols, it boils down to whose argument is the most compelling, the authenticator's or the debunkers?

That depends a lot on your personal sensibilities, and mine dictate that the docs are , as reported, 80% - 100% authentic, as rated by the majesticdocuments.com own protocols.

The old site:

The authenticity ratings and methods are given here, please review them
Here is the investigative team
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/team.php
Ratings and authentication methods
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/authentication.php
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/authenticity.php


The new site:

https://majesticdocuments.waskosky.com/documents/

Click on 'documents' then click on authentication sections, and review them in their entirety.

 

This reply will take a different path:


First, a definition:

"Confabulation" -- during a regressive hypnosis session, it is when the subject projects his imagination into the scene to varying degrees.

There are tons of anecdotal evidence, when, taken individually, not sufficient for presumption, but, taken as a whole, presumption is more than reasonable, given that

1. Aliens are visiting in large numbers.

2. Roper poll of years ago revealed that about 2% of the population have been abducted and:
A) In the vast majority of abductees of the right age, Sperm taken from males, ovum taken from females (how we know this will be explained)

3. Testimonies from hundreds of people during the 70s/80s before there was an internet or a pop culture on aliens, under regressive hypnosis we get the same story, over and over and over again. We could say 'confabulation', and though there is an element of that, but confab is wild and varying, and factual events do not change, they grow more clearer with each recount of the event. This is how Dr. David Jacobs is able to separate the veritable wheat from the chaff, so to speak. The declarations given here are the constants reported,, NOT the confabs that are reported, those are discarded, and Jacobs has been doing these sessions for many years, on over a hundred different subjects, totalling over a thousand different sessions.

A) Aliens are abducting females, and gestating human/alien hybrids, taken them from women after about 10 weeks. This has been confirmed by independent doctor examinations before, during, and after. (fetuses just don't disappear, yet this is happening as are alien induced immaculate conceptions happening )
B) Aliens reveal, during abduction, the incubatoriums where the alien hybrids are growing from fetus stage
C) Aliens have mind control over humans, and are forcing humans to train alien hybrids from childhood onward, over a period of years, for assimilation into human society. Abductees report they are unable to free themselves form alien domination owing to the psychic dominance over humans they hold. They are of a higher evolutionary stage, far more advanced and intelligent than we are, and alien/hybrids maintain this alien level mind control over humans, and they have photographic memories, can languages via neural downloads, etc.

4. These testimonies, taken from persons of all walks of life, from all over the world, all of whom do not know each other, all are giving the same story, over and over and over again, noting that:
A) confabulation happens, and controls are installed during hypnotic regression sessions, and are pretty much faded by the 4th session and onward given that:
1) Confabulation stories constantly change, but factual events grow stronger which each session. Dr. David Jacobs reports on this and explains how he deals with this (more on this, below).

5. All abductions are conducted clandestinely, the aliens have cloaking technology, and the ability to switch off nearby electronic devices, including the ability to switch off humans who could have been witnesses
A) The objections raised that abductions are a 'sleeping paralysis' has been debunked because often people are abducted while driving down the road.
B) groups of people have been abducted and their stories have been corroborated.
C) abductees report missing time, and all the abductees have their memories erased, though most of their memories are recoverable during hypnosis in vivid frightening detail.
D) Most abductees report that their abductions are traumatic, and the last thing they wanted to know that it was really happening, they would have much preferred to discover them to be nightmares.
E) Abductions occur throughout a person's life, from childhood onward to late middle ages, and aliens adbuct entire families, the abductions are intergenerational, if you are abducted, your children will be, as your grandparents will be, and this has been corroborated hundreds of times in thousands of sessions by Dr david Jacobs, Dr. John Mack, Budd Hopkins, and others.

6. WE have numerous unexplainable sightings from military pilots that UFOs fly in ways that defy conventional physics, mach speeds faster than any human jet, turning at right angles which would crush any human,
and these sightings are confirmed jet AND ground radar AND visual sightings by competent military personnel. See the film 'Sirius Disclosure'.
7. On more than one occasion, at multiple sites, nuclear missile silos have been taken off line, noting that it is impossible for a dozen different nuclear silos to go off line simultaneous, because each sile is completely isolated from others, and there is no way for an electronic failure to propagate to other silos, all the while UFOs were reported in the area.

UFO disable silos.
the incident has never
been officially explained.





UFOs monitoring nukes.

This testimony confirms at 1;54 in the above video
where Robert Hastings ( producer of film ) asserts that
a UFO in flight destroys
a launched nuke (a dummy nuke)
This is the Officer in charge of Photography at Vandeberg where the incident took place, where he tells his superior, Major Florenz Mansmann, what happened
https://youtu.be/x4wL4lbwwNU


For more info on adbuctions, read Dr. David Jacob's "Walking Among Us" and 'The Threat" and Budd Hopkins "Missing Time".
Both Jacobs and Hopkins have numerous interviews and lectures on YouTube, just do a search.

Also, for the oft held objection of "millions of cameras, no photos'.

That simply is not true, there are thousands of photos of UFOs, but 99.9999% of those cameras are cell phones, all of which are inadequate for long range photography which is why existing photos are lacking in quality. As a pro photographer myself, I'd say what is required to capture a UFO from a distance would be two rigs, one set for infrared, the other for normal photography, high end because of the high ISO capability they afford for night time shooing , such high end rigs costing many thousands of dollars ( an 800mm lens, Canon L series, costs $13k ). Very few people save the professional nature photogs, or sports photos, have such rigs, and as sightings are rare, as it is, multiply the rare factor by 1000 or greater, and we can see the improbability of capturing a good UFO photo. My brother, a pro photog, as well, told me, after 17 years of shooting nature, he finally got a 2 page spread in Nat Geo, Nat Geo will sort through some 10,000 photos before they select one for publication. A good nature shot often takes several months of thousands of shots in the wild before a really viable photos is obtained and then he's competing with thousands of other photogs for placement. Nat Geos staff photogs they are not going to be looking for "UFOs' one could wait a life time and not even see one, let get a good shot if one appeared. NO, their bread and butter are animals, birds, insects, exotic scenery, etc..and in the daytime, noting that most UFOs tend to be seen at night, so they are nocturnal, mostly. So a pro photog is not going to spend his valuable time looking for something that will be highly unlikely to find, save for sheer luck, and that's not what moves them, making a living moves them. So, such a shot will eventually come from a serious amateur who such a ring.

There are cheaper alternatives, of course. But two rigs are needed because one having the longer lens on a tripod, the other a capable telephoto with an infrared sensor. It took many years before we had a close up of a giant squid, but, finally, one did show up on the shores. Just because there is no good close up, doesn't mean they do not exist, as there are 10s of thousands of sightings all over the world, and some 5% of those are unexplainable, and those are the ones we are dealing with. For close up photography, note the above detail that aliens have the ability to switch off nearby electronics, and perform abductions clandestinely (this is explained above) In fact, more than one abductee, afraid of being abducted, installed a video cam. After viewing footage, in each case, we see the subject, in his or her sleep, shutting off the camera. So, it is concluded that aliens operate clandestinely are keenly aware of cameras, and have mind control over subjects. This explains why there are no close ups, aliens do not want humans to have close ups. Through the testimony of abductees, we know that aliens know a lot about the human race, our foibles, our governments, our daily lives, but not everything, of course. For an fascinating insight on the goings on inside UFOs and more about the aliens themselves, what their agenda is, read Dr. David Jacobs transformative work, "Walking Among Us" and, "The Threat".

As for the 'impossible for humans to hybridize with alien dna". two things. There is data that says they have been tampering with the human dna / gene pool for millions of years, influencing our evolution ( humans are an alien project, so to speak ) so we have alien DNA, and they are masters of genetic engineering, so this cannot be proof that they are not operating in this realm not because this is 'true' per se, but because it is possible.

Not asking you to believe anything, but keep and open mind and develop your sense of curiosity.

The point is, though all of this seems fantastic, the most compelling evidence is the testimonies of abductees, and the convincing methods of Dr. David Jacobs ( he's a university professor, though not of Science, but of history, though he trained under Bud Hopkins as hypnotist for 4 years before doing his first session in regressive techniques and he explains that even the professionals with degrees in psychology are not trained for the unique issues of adbuctees. ). Read his book, that is all I ask, "Walking Among Us" and 'The Threat" ( in that order ).

 

That is not what you said earlier in the thread;

You've explicitly declared that there is sufficient evidence to support your definitive and unshakeable belief, not only that aliens exist but extremely specific assertions about their nature, technology and behaviour. I've have already said that I accept the possibility that aliens exist but that isn't good enough for you, you want other people to also accept your belief position, regardless of the evidence.

As long as that is your position, we've nothing further to discuss here.

 

No I don't, nor can you quote anything I've said which says that.

I said I believe there is, but I'm not asking you to believe anything, only to consider what I've offered.

Obviously, your curiosity is zero. I have never told anyone to accept my position, nor can you point ot anything I said which demands it.

First off don't truncate my quotes, because it changes the meaning, this:

See, Honest Joe, I'm not asking for evidence, I'm asking if you believe it. One can believe it, on a gut feeling, and not have evidence, there is no requirement for evidence just to believe something.

All that is saying is that one can believe in something on presumptive evidence. I'm asking if you are capable of believing something on presumptive evidence.

MOreover, I've qualified my meaning even further, and you won't allow it.

i AM NOT TELLING YOU OR ANYONE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING SO KNOCK IT OFF WITH THAT CRAP.

 

There are people, but there are people who acknowledge that all presidents, except perhaps Trump ( because he's a blabber mouth ).have been briefed. I'm quite certain all of them have, they are told why they must keep it secret, and the reason they are given will be obvious, as it has national security implications..

Pick your group, but don't use one group to justify any kind of logic you are offering.

So, you're going to not even consider the document because you think it should have had 'transition'. imprinted on it? Are you kidding me?

The implications of anti-gravity travel is immense, is it any wonder they do not want that kind of technology getting into China's or Russia's hands?

We have most definitely been able to keep a secret. F - 117 nighthawk was secret for many years and that's just one of many. Area 51 is working on many secret projects, and none are disclosed. We do not know what is going on over there.

Majestic was finally leaked, but it was secret for many years. The government didn't acknowledge area 51 until Obama, but it was created in the 50s. They still don't acknowledge majestic.

 

Completely agree with you on the anti gravity potential as a propulsion system. We had some pretty advanced aircraft designs going back a ways. The spy plane SR-71 started design life proto type life as an interceptor. I believe it was first designated the F-112 but with the Soviets and us transitioning to ICBM's the need for interceptors vaporized. The F-112 was to be the replacement for F-106. Take a look at some of the German development towards the end of WWII and look at the stuff they designed on the drawing boards. There are some that have a slight resemblance to some of the lines of the SR-71 and other advanced US craft. The Germans built and designed on paper and models flying wings, triangular delta singed craft, ram jet and rocket propulsion. There is speculation by Allen fans that the little NAZI buggers had out of the world help.

Esides Von Braun we picked up as many rocket and aircraft engineers and scientists as we could before the Soviets got them. The Soviets got their share.

I was in the Air Force when the proto type of the F-112/SR-71 flew a long distance for the first time from Nevada to the Gulf of Mexico and back. I think 1967.


There is likely a lot of stealth development involving drones going on right now.

You know about Wright-Pat ( Wright-Patterson AFB) and research there right? I had gone TDY to Wright-Pat several times to work on something but sorry nothing top secret and never saw any of the little grey men that flew that weather balloon to Roswell ??? LOL, Sorry could not help that.

 

You are aware of the fact that, regarding super secret science related stuff with the government, EVERYTHING is compartmentalized, everything at every section of a project is on a need to know, basis, right?

Just because you weren't made aware of it in no way, shape, or form, proves anything.

 

Of course I am aware of security procedures and thecabsolute ned for it. I was being sarcastic alluding to stories such as little grey aliens in hanger #24 at Wright-Pat.

 

It's really funny that a great percentage of the world's population scoff and ridicule those who are convinced there are aliens amongst us yet the vast percentage of those who scoff believe in God! What madness!

 

Cool. Do note that sarcasm is best delivered verbally, as it depends a lot on body language to get the point. It's easy to miss in print, unless someone is very familiar with your style, and I'm not.

 

Sorry you are absolutely correct.

 

That was me in my saucer. Beyond that I am not at liberty to say.

 

Just received a Skeptic email very much relevant to this thread topic! It's a Science Salon episode hosted by Dr. Michael Shermer and featuring David J. Halperin. They discuss the UFO phenomenon in terms of what it tells us about ourselves. From the email:

Michael Shermer with David J. Halperin — Intimate Alien: The Hidden Story of the UFO

UFOs are a myth, says David J. Halperin — but myths are real. The power and fascination of the UFO has nothing to do with space travel or life on other planets. It’s about us, our longings and terrors, and especially the greatest terror of all: the end of our existence. This is a book about UFOs that goes beyond believing in them or debunking them and to a fresh understanding of what they tell us about ourselves as individuals, as a culture, and as a species.

In the 1960s, Halperin was a teenage UFOlogist, convinced that flying saucers were real and that it was his life’s mission to solve their mystery. He would become a professor of religious studies, with traditions of heavenly journeys his specialty. With Intimate Alien, he looks back to explore what UFOs once meant to him as a boy growing up in a home haunted by death and what they still mean for millions, believers and deniers alike.

From the prehistoric Balkans to the deserts of New Mexico, from the biblical visions of Ezekiel to modern abduction encounters, Intimate Alien traces the hidden story of the UFO. It’s a human story from beginning to end, no less mysterious and fantastic for its earthliness. A collective cultural dream, UFOs transport us to the outer limits of that most alien yet intimate frontier, our own inner space. Shermer and Halperin discuss:

• What is religion and what role does it play in peoples’ lives?
• What is myth and what role does it play in peoples’ lives?
• what Carl Jung believed about UFOs and why,
• The Day the Earth Stood Still film as a Christ Allegory,
• why he’s an atheist but fascinated by the power of religion,
• why he’s a UFO skeptic but compelled by the power of alien beliefs,
• the origin of alien eyes,
• the origin of alien abductions,
• the true meaning of the Roswell incident,
• John Lennon’s UFO experience,
• Will religion fall into disuse with the rise of the nones?, and
• the future of religion in a post-COVID-19 world.

David J. Halperin taught Jewish studies in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, until his retirement in 2000. He has published five nonfiction books on Jewish mysticism and messianism, as well as the coming-of-age novel Journal of a UFO Investigator: A Novel (2011). He blogs about UFOs, religion, and related subjects at www.davidhalperin.net.

Listen to Science Salon via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Play Music, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, and TuneIn.

And here is the episode on YouTube:


Enjoy!