Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

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Does Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel working in applied Multiverse Theory prove a "G-d????"

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if it doesn't mater who made a God, then why would it mater who made us? Unless you fear punishment from a God that goes by the name "Jealous", which I do not...

    if God just popped into existence from nothing, is he just a fairy tale - why could not of everything just popped into existence, then evolved to what we see today over time?

    if there was a God, maybe he is more like this

    http://www.tfd.com/deists

    de·ism (dzm, d-)
    n.
    The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.


    a scientist in our world could create a new universe in the lab, it would seperate and become a new universe, is that scientist now a God?
     
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    I don't find the idea of a jealous God to be fearsome. I find it endearing. And if I am to be accountable, measured, and judged. I prefer it to be by a perfect being who loves me, who is just and fair, that I might be improved upon and molded to his liking by my own choosing.
     
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    I will build the god mobile once god contacts me.
     
  4. FreshAir

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    sounds to me like a jealous boyfriend that punishes his girlfriend for not loving him by locking her in the basement and torturing her (hell)

    if only she had loved and worshiped him, all would have been fine :confused:
     
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  5. DennisTate

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    That is very much along the line of what near death experiencers report. I was reading a fascinating one yesterday that is partly available online for free.

    www.thomastwin.com/
     
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    You hungry and sick?
     
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    It's strange to have to explain this, but the question in the OP is what it would take for me to believe. The answer is going to involve me. Wow!
    Perfect creations wouldn't have been corruptible (it's a flaw).
     
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    I didn't respond to that. I responded to what I quoted from you.
    No, susceptibility to temptation is a necessary ingredient for the development of virtuous beings.
     
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    Thats a really good point, and governments et al use it well, They close the doors behind you while leaving theirs open :)
     
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    He can tell you about what happened in your great great great grandparents' lives as though He was right there with them.

    Would that be considered 'proof'?
     
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    Only that which can be empirically tested in a laboratory can be proved by men to other men.

    A God would have to be a material being like man to be proved to men and women -- by putting a material God to the test(s) in a controlled laboratory.

    But if a God was a material being like men, a God past his prime would be subject to decay and death, like men.

    A material God could not exist for long and would be of little benefit to men or any living things.

    Nobody has proved or can prove that a God exists. The materials and energies of the universe offer no absolute scientific explanation of a God:

    "Consider the enormity of the problem. Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe? And science cannot answer these questions, because, according to the astronomers, in the first moments of its existence the Universe was compressed to an extraordinary degree, and consumed by the heat of a fire beyond human imagination. The shock of that instant must have destroyed every particle of evidence that could have yielded a clue to the cause of the great explosion." Robert Jastrow

    This quandary of the physical never knowable nanosecond universe with no direct extant physical clues leaves individual men and women with having to decide for themselves about a God -- if they want to decide. They don't have to decide.
     
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    Near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai claims that during his brush with death he met Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who told him that during the time when He created Covering Cherub Halel who eventually fell and became Satan.......
    The Word - Logos knew.... that Covering Cherub Halel would eventually fall and introduce rebellion into the universe - multiverse.

    I think that this assertion would explain a lot of conflicting ideas about what is really going on here on this earth......

    The Life Forms that existed long before the invention of space and time knew that evil had to be confronted... and conquered...... which we humans would be rather hesitant to attempt..... Existing for eternity in the past would give an Eternal Intelligence a very very different way of thinking than we humans have.
     
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    It may not unknowable. There is some theory about a big bounce rather than a big bang, caused by the collapse of a previous universe. There are even seom possible tests which could be applied to see if this is the case.
    Never say never....
     
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    The mystic experiences are all entirely subjective. That's why most people don't believe Teresa of Avila's experiences.
     
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    Personally.... I am beyond impressed how Dr. George Ritchie after a nineteen forty three near death experience could describe four invisible dimensions of space and time much as postulated in String Theory.... that was not common knowledge until decades after his near death experience........

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/george-ritchie.html
     
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    It is only human to fear ultimate truths..........
    Richard Dawkins Ph. D. did good to at least express his open mind toward the existence of aliens...........

    but it would be such an easy step for him to postulate extra - dimensional aliens rather than merely extra-terrestrial ones......
     
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    It would be impossible, because there could be no proof, in principle, for such things. Imagine, yes, postulate, no.
     
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    I am free to accept certain evidence to be "proof" enough to me... that you may reject..... that is your choice.

    The Law of Probability in a sense even applies to The Anthropic Principle and implies something of a Cyclic Model of the universe / multiverse.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    I would accept proof to include enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt, repeatable, objective, and reviewed by their peers. Not, for example, near-death experiences when the subject was mentally disturbed.

    Put it this way, would you fly on an aircraft certified as safe by such a person, or would you prefer the FAA (without interference from Boeing)?
     
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    I am convinced that near death experiencers are often altering the very future in positive ways..... . partly just be being genuinely and sincerely concerned about the future...... . so obviously I approach all of this differently than you do.


    https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/some-people-receive-verified-visions-of-the-future.html

    This is a truly strange idea...... but I consider it logical based on what I think a Creator composed of truly fundamental energy would probably think like.

    https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03

     
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    Yeah, well I'll stay with the FAA thanks.
     
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    Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?


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    Different people may respond differently to evidence. Here below is how
    one group of people responded to solid Empirical evidence.

    The takeaway point of this post is that the Lord Jesus presented compelling
    evidence to His enemies, the Pharisees and Teachers Of The Law, and they
    responded by trying to literally KILL the evidence.

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    "I would believe in God if I had sufficient evidence" say many unbelievers
    these days on the Internet.

    "Give me convincing evidence and I will then believe in Christianity" say many
    unbelievers on Internet Forums.

    There is constant talk on the Internet about "give me convincing evidence."

    Below is a clear example of some people that had clear compelling sufficient
    empirical evidence that rose to the certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4 --- and what did
    they do with this evidence?

    Answer: they tried to KILL the evidence, literally.

    Read on . . .

    The Teachers Of The Law and the Pharisees saw the miracles Jesus performed.

    They had all the proof {evidence} they needed that He was worthy of their faith,
    and still they did not believe in Him.

    John chapters 11 and 12 tells the story about the death of Lazarus and about the
    Lord Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead.

    There were many people there and they saw Lazarus, who had been dead for 4
    days, raised from the dead by the Lord Jesus.

    The Teachers Of The Law and the Pharisees knew this, and fully understood
    this -- and they decided to "do something about it."

    Lazarus-now-alive WAS HIMSELF the Logical, Empirical, Rational Evidence
    for the truth of Christianity.

    So?

    So what did the Teachers Of The Law and the Pharisees decide to do when
    faced with that type of strong solid irrefutable Logical, Rational, Empirical
    evidence?

    Answer:

    That plotted first to kill the Lord Jesus who had provided the compelling evidence.

    LAZARUS-NOW-ALIVE , , , WAS , , , the strong solid Logical, Rational, Empirical
    evidence.

    The plot to kill Jesus.
    "So from that day on they plotted to take his life." John 11:53

    Next they plotted to kill the evidence itself which was Lazarus-very-much-alive
    who had been dead for 4 days.

    Lazarus WAS THE EVIDENCE , , , , THE LIVING EVIDENCE.

    The plot to kill Lazarus.
    "So the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well." John 12:10

    So?

    So the above is how one group of people responded to "God when He
    did prove Himself" with living breathing evidence. Lazarus had been
    dead for 4 days. They saw the dead raised with their own eyes. They
    were there. They tried to KILL the evidence, literally.


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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes... this is similar reasoning in a sense to the high level USA government official who spoke to the team at the Dr. Stanislaw Burzynskin clinic...... admitted that he really was impressed by the technology..... but said that he could not support Dr. Burzynski because if the BigPharma stock prices fell........... then Wall Street could not survive another 2008 in their opinion!
     
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    Seriously...What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?

    Depends on how you define god. I define god as mother nature or the laws of physics. That definition proves its existence in everything all the time.
     
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    When did this claimed event occur and what is your proof it occurred?
     

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