White Fragility.

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  1. modernpaladin

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    Ya, I dunno where this perception of 'fragility' comes from. What the racists call 'white America', which is really just the bulk of the nation that avoids being urban and happens to be predominantly (though by no means completely) 'white' is not 'fragile' in any sense of the word. This just more attempt to paint non-racists as closet-racists because the newest global-communist revolutionary narrative requires everyone to be racist.
     
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    It directly addressed your post and you prove my point entirely. You don't want to discuss what are the real problems in the black community because it makes you uncomfortable and you don't want to face it.

    And note you ignore this too

    What privilege did I have over you? What privileged did my kids have over the black kids? What are you doing to correct the systemic problems WITHIN the black community?
     
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    That probably happens a lot. I'm sure your Black neighbor monitors what he says also.
     
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    Between the poster who said to shoot people, people talking about how they don't have any privilege, and blaming the black community, I think we have pretty clear examples of white fragility. ​
     
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    Some thoughts on Robin DiAngelo and "White Fragility".

    I've been reading and watching a lot of material since George Floyd's death about what is going on in society today with BLM and the entire new religious phenomenon of "white guilt" which seems to be taking hold of a lot of mostly young white liberals who are higher-income whites and therefore, are coming from places of social class privilege.

    Most of the material I've read and watched comes from more sane black thinkers, because it is presumptuous for white people to try to speak for blacks as a group. It is more presumptuous than having a fringe element like BLM acting as if they speak for blacks as a group, because they do not. Robin DiAngelo does not speak for all white people, though that is her pretense.

    Outside of the cliquish and trendy rising of the Cultural Marxists, DiAngelo has been described as the Donald Trump of the far left. She lacks substance and intelligence, but she is a genius at marketing and has hit upon perfect timing in a tender and sensitive time in our society, such that, so far she has earned $9 million on her propaganda skills. Her earnings come from book sales and in offering high-dollar "Sensitivity Training" seminars to corporations. Corporations do not want to be sued in a discrimination case, and having such training would show in court that they made good will attempts to make sure their workforce isn't "racist".

    From a psychological perspective, DiAngelo has been accused by critiques as being deeply racist herself and in trying to absolve her own guilt, she is projecting her own shortcomings onto all other white people. She feels (or felt) a certain way about black people, so she has decided that every other white person feels her feelings. Interesting that a racist white person can make millions telling all other white people that they are racists. She's become an overnight millionaire selling "Anti-racism", which in some segments is catching on with a religious fervor.

    All civil societies have a common belief system at its core, which when that common set of ethics/morals crumbles, the civilization fails. But "White Fragility" is more like a heretical cult because self-respecting individuals are not going to fall for a belief which lacks basic reason and basic truth. People of no faith have a gap to fill and will fall into cults far more easily than those who already have some sort of faith or belief system in their life. "White Fragility" has the religious ingredients: original sin, where you are guilty at birth; realization and confession to a priest/priestess; absolution, where you are forgiven as long as you take action to repent and change your life, go forth and lead a more holy life.

    Impact of "White Fragility" on any actual remnants of racism in society: Absolutely none. The worshiper gets to feel better about themselves and perhaps become a book-thumping evangelical who may recruit more members to the cult. The problems that 25-30% of the inner-city blacks who are descendants of slaves have been left behind in society do not get resolved. The problems do not get resolved, but get perpetuated. White people being "guilty and responsible" for the failure of those blacks who have not thrived bestows upon white people a remaining position of power, superiority and paternalism, where "We have to take care of you." People who are responsible for the success of others are always in the more powerful position.

    We can feel comfortable or uncomfortable "talking" about racism all day, which is all we're doing lately in politics. Talk and absolving the guilt of people who are supposedly privileged does not fix anything. It's just talk.

    Outside of the fringe group of BLM, the vast majority of black Americans are aware of "racists", but "racists" have not stopped them from taking advantage of opportunities available to Americans. They do not want the "help" of privileged, patronizing white people. They want to be seen and respected as the equal individual human beings they are. There is concern about a white "backlash" if too many white people believe that all black people think like BLM. It becomes another stereotype of the entire race. It's counterproductive and dangerous.

    There is hard work to be done to pull those at the lowest economic classes up to earning a better standard of living and "White Fragility" isn't the way. Lots of capitalists are making a piles of money at it though. This is nothing more than performative art.

    (A partial list of "sane" liberal black people I've listened to: John McWhorter, Glenn Loury, Jason Riley, Coleman Hughes.) I hope cooler heads can prevail and we can get back to being a society of reasonable Americans and stop judging people on sight by skin color. Most people have already done so over the last 50 years. We don't need to start going backward after decades of real forward progress.
     
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    The bunker is full of facts you won't like.
     
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    The fragility lies in the numpties that see racism in everything.
     
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    It's not a class issue, it's a race issue. They're not the same thing. One is about ethnic identity, the other is material possessions, though I prefer to think of it moreso in terms of social capital.
     
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    Poverty is a class issue, which does impact pockets of black communities disproportionately. We need to raise everyone up if possible to provide an equal start in life for the opportunities available. The focus should be on early- and better quality education from a public perspective. Black leaders in black communities need to work on the drug and family issues in the culture. White people see that problem but don't know how, or can't, fix that. Neither do these black communities want a bunch of white people traipsing into their neighborhoods trying to fix cultural issues they don't understand, I suspect.

    If the left continues to make everything about ethnicity, they will continue to lose support over time, especially if they continue destroying property during these riots...or don't disavow other groups which are causing the destruction. BLM is reinforcing negative black stereotypes at this point. That's not helpful. Privileged white people don't tend to help impoverished white people who they don't know. When you hear white people say, "Blacks need to help themselves," it's not racist. It's how whites treat other whites. You'll help family or a friend of any color before helping a stranger you don't know. What is the motivation to treat anyone else better than they treat their own? What's going on today is not motivating anyone in any positive direction.
     
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    Well if you don't fear walking down the street in the Hoods of any city you need your head checked for loose connections! Lol

    And if white you better well have some fear in those areas. Just a helpful word of the wise. Unless you are Superman of course.

    Your processor apparently got a virus and crashed. Lol
     
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    Well if you don't fear walking down the street in the Hoods of any city you need your head checked for loose connections! Lol

    And if white you better well have some fear in those areas. Just a helpful word of the wise. Unless you are Superman of course.

    Your processor apparently got a virus and crashed. Lol
     
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    These stupid little woke puppets that perpetuate this racial division crap, are just puppets. Don't get me wrong they are absolutely Nazis racial purity and everything.

    But their petty little into goal if there even is one isn't the purpose behind things like black lives matter.

    This is an effort to turn white people against black people. To divide our nation. That stupid little foot soldier puppets are simply pawns. And any nonsense they write to piss off the white people is going to be promoted and exalted and heralded as Supreme.

    Don't take the bait United under the banner of American is something we can all get behind, except the woke Nazis. But we are stronger.
     
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    Interesting and ironic title.
     
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    not if you're armed to the teeth.

    I remember hearing something similar to this. Armed gays don't get bashed. Same would go for crackers in the hood.
    some people choose to walk around scared everyone else there are weapons.
    Or he carries an equalizer.
     
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    White privilege doesn't exist, and what people should do about this is point and laugh at anyone who talks about white privilege so that we can show all the other people in the world that it's stupid.

    Just like what we do with other things like flat Earth.
     
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    If you renounce your whiteness, you can attone!
     
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    I know middle class black folks. I live next to some of them.. They succeeded here in the south by not living as an oppressed victim but by their effort. So called systemic racism did not hold them back.

    So other black folks should look to see how these people became middle class and live prosperous lives . And emulate them. Instead of emulating the failure of black culture that blames their poverty on the white man.

    The fact of successful black Americans proves some people will not be doomed to poverty. They choose to be victors and not victims. Instead of being poor pitiful me they know that path leads nowhere.

    There are certain keys to having a chance of success in America but if you won't use those keys don't blame it on someone else.. If some blacks can raise themselves up then all can by doing the right things and living a particular way.

    Sure it is harder today due to globalism and the lack of living wage jobs for black and white Americans. But it is still possible although you may have to move to do it.

    Truth is motivated people can do it. Regardless of color. And plenty of black folks have proven it. No doubt it can be harder but that never stopped the hated immigrant whether the Irish, the Italian or the Nigerian.

    And frankly I am sick of the excuses coming from the lefties and the blacks who believe those lefties..

    One key is when you get knocked down, get up and dust yourself off and go at it harder and wiser.. Yet is this the advise from the left? Or do they blame others and give an excuse? The successful don't listen to them but see others who are black that made it and emulate them.
     
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    The reason why white people don't "get it" is because much of the racism perceived by blacks originate from their own insecurities. These insecurities exploited by the communists. Blacks who perceive less racism have higher self esteem. Here's Julius Malema at 47 minutes he starts his diatribe of self loathing...he also hates whites and sing songs about killing the Boer.



    "All people's of the world despise Africans, nothing about Africans invite respect, dignity, humaness and duty in the eyes of the world. We represent slavery, under-development, poverty, disease, hunger, suffering and illiteracy."
     
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    1. And a non slave owner can also not be racist.
    2. Blacks are included in "all lives matter". To suggest that only black lives matter is very racist.
    3. If most blacks were doing the best they can they would get together and improve their situation. There are many many successful blacks. While being black may make things more difficult, it doesn't make them impossible. All the blacks I know and have employed would agree with that. The rest need to get together for their common good.
     
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    What was the job description?
     
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    All levels.
     
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    So being against racism and bigotry is fragility?
     
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    Racism is no more difficult to talk about than the Tooth Fairy. Both are myths and not worthy of much discussion.
     
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    That's part of the problem. People that don't experience or witness racism want to pretend it doesn't exist.
     
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    This is satire, right?
     

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