Russia has been paying Afghanistan militants to kill NATO troops

Maybe they were talking about US casualties, not deaths?

 

Surprised that the Russians would do this? Not at all. Surprised that Trump would do nothing in retaliation, not so much as a peep? Nope. Surprised that Trump would claim that he wasn't briefed on this? No, because as we all know, unless you put it into a Powerpoint presentation, he won't know because he will not read the Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB).

What does surprise me is the shallowness of response by Trump's reporters. Is it okay with you that Russia does such things with impunity, knowing that there will be no reprisals forthcoming from the Trump administration?

 

Article says 80 US dead....read your own article.

 

Of course we are at war with Russia - we are on the opposite sides of the war in multiple conflicts - including in Afghanistan. It was not too far back that we were supporting the Taliban in their effort to kill Russian troops - and more recently we were arming Al Qaeda and affiliated offspring to kill Russian Troops in Syria.

I don't give a rats backside about Trump - or the latest dotard tweet.

My issue with this story is that our intelligence agencies are habitual liars and purveyors of propaganda.

 

Did you ever know that some articles written include errors?

 

It was Trump who pulled us out of the non-proliferation treaty that we already had with Russia, known as the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/21/trump-accidentally-just-triggered-global-nuclear-proliferation/

You seem to have a very selective memory, or else are relying on questionable news sources.

 

Only a nation with a history of attacks outright or covertly, and by the West essentially, can have that which Russia has, and that's the strong unity and resolve of its people. This is why Russia can never be defeated. If you don't believe me, then ask Napoleon and Hitler. They suffered it. I read that the legendary British General Montomery, wrote on the first page of his manual: 'Never attack Russia'.

For Russia to give Crimea back to its people, after it was invaded and stolen by Kiev in the 90's is not a crime. The people living there voted to be with Russia, because they feared another invasion by Ukraine.

The government in Ukraine was and continues to be illegal since anyone who represented the South and West of the country were under threat not to run. We fought a war of independence because we were not represented in the British government, so why shouldn't the people living in the South and East of Ukraine have the same right?

Let me ask you something? Why do the people in your part of Ukraine feel that all of of Ukraine belongs to them, even though they never stepped foot in the other half?

Any hope you have for Russia splitting up is ending now with the new constitution. It's not allowed. Nor will anyone be allowed to run for president who hasn't lived for 30 years consecutively in Russia. This would eliminate those who want to impose foreign liberal ideas on the Russian people which run contrary to its culture and traditional standards.

As for Russia's destiny, well take a good look at what's going on in the world and not just the US. Everything is falling apart, while Russia is growing in influence, power and most of all stability.

Obviously you're not a Ukrainian Orthodox, or you would know monasticism and spiritual fathers are part of the Orthodox faith. But then again, you are from Western Ukraine, and they are under the Pope.

 

Well....yeah, Jenny , Moscovia has been defeated.....USSR is no more!.....Lenin once said an "indestructible" union of republics? Looks like Lenin was a fool.

I'm not Ukrainian....nor do I live there. Yeah Ukraine is south and East...they did set foot there....but jobs Gruzin Stalin decided on a useless Holodomor. Try reading history.

ROFL....Putinka will be there for life.....they'll take him out out on a stretcher at about 86 years when the Mongol braggart will keep over from a brain hemorrhage...LOL. The Asiatic vatniks deserve what they get.

Catholicism has its reach everywhere Jennybabes....2 billion + followers, Orthodoxy is but a speck in comparison, and still rather backward.

Where's those videos?

 

Just heard McLiar try to blame it on, "he wasnt briefed on it" Yea, sure he wasn't. He knew about it and stood aside for Putin. Trump and Russiagate is FULL on Corruption... Let just continue to hide all the documents, his taxes which hide all the transactions and loans he washed money thru.

Even if he or Pence was NOT told about it. Who is responsible ? Why isnt Trump and McLiar going on about how they feel for the families, that they plan to look into it ASAP. This admin. is a joke ! They go right into "everyone else is lying, NY times is lying. I guess so is Wapo, AP, and others who have confirmed it.

So news knows the truth and Trump knows nothing ?
Just sad this guy cares more about rallys then he does marines. When are the 28% left in the sh*tview going to wake up ?

 

I dont think your Jeanette... I think your an Operative for the RW.... Last grasp and hope for the tyrannical regime...

 

The sources have all been good. It is the RW, Trump, Barr especially that have continue to hide the docs. the tax returns, etc. All after telling everyone it was NO BIG DEAL. I will show them... He thought for sure he would lose the vote. Little did he know that so many Americans could be so DUMB, just plain DUMB and vote for him as if he was a HUMAN Being. Little did they know it made him only worse.
All comes out in the wash later and look for many to be locked up. Why they are panicked now for the election and crying about mail in ballots. The same ones Trump supported for 30 years he now finds horrible and corrupt. Nothing, absolutely nothing he says or does is HONEST.

 

Life 101...

We are nowhere near war.

You're thinking about Charlie Wilson's War. That was the 80s, and this may well be revenge for that.

The story is plausible. If there was an interagency NSC meeting, it happened. Frankly, the Trump crowd lies constantly, they make inteligence agencies look good.

But... there is an element of doubt.

 

1) Russia was defeated when the USSR collapsed. The current drop in oil prices is hitting them were it hurts.

2) "On 1, December 1991, voters approved a referendum formalizing independence from the Soviet Union. Over 90% of Ukrainian citizens voted for independence, with majorities in every region, including 56% in Crimea." (Ooops!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine#Ukraine_and_the_World_Wars

3) "In November 2013, President Yanukovych did not sign the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement and instead pursued closer ties with Russia.[53][54] This move sparked protests on the streets of Kiev and, ultimately, the 2014 Ukrainian revolution." Wanna guess who ran to Moscow with his tail between his legs? You talk about legitimacy, but seriously...

3 and 1/2) Russia invaded Ukraine with Spetznaz troops to get a Black Sea port. Everything else is lipstick on a pig.

4) Maybe because it's Ukraine, and they're Ukrainian...

5) Under the surface, Russia is experiencing the woes most countries have. Putin is tactically brilliant, and strategically foolish. So things can look pretty good, right up to the day it collapses, or the royals start losing their heads. It's their routine...

 

I don't know that much about the former treaty, other than the accusations went both ways. I was just curious as to why the New York Times would start a fake news story to demonize Russia at this time, and then I remembered that Trump was in the process of making another non proliferation agreement with Russia.

If there is another reason for the New York Times coming out with that lie, then please tell me.

 

Well, if Putin says they didn't do it then them must not have done it. Dirty Donnie believes his handler Putin over 11 US intelligence agencies.

Case closed.

 

Don't know what you are talking about - I was not thinking of Charlie Wilson's war.

What I did say - is that taking anything out of the mouth of our intelligence agencies seriously with respect to Russia is bonkers .. Life 101 as you said.

Of course we are at war with the Taliban ... by any rational definition of war.

Then you completely miss commenting on the central premise of my post with respect to the OP - which is never any fun. Perhaps I did not do a good job of making my thoughts clear.

The story is a joke - It is not like the Taliban is needing to be bribed to kill US soldiers - in the "WAR" they are fighting with these foreign enemies .. and have been for near 20 years.

If Russia is supporting the Taliban in that effort - this is how things go -and both sides do this all the time... how many examples would you like ?

I noticed that Zoom brought up his favorite example - when Russian mercs were killed by US forces in Syria a few years ago. There is one.

This smells of propaganda to high heaven - following up on the "Russiagate" propaganda that has been the daily diet since Trump took office. Not that it did not exist prior - just hitting a cycle high of activity over the last number of years.

The idea that Trump's main backers are Russian - main "influencers" - is laughable nonsense - to anyone who is has any idea who Trumps backers are.

 

Uhhh, I have news for you, the Supreme Soviet voted the USSR out of existence on Dec. 26, 1991 - not the Americans. So where's the defeat?

How about some reality:

In the constitution of 1992 Crimea was proclaimed a legal, democratic, secular state whose relationship with Ukraine was based solely on bilateral agreements.

in 1995, Ukrainian special ops forces invaded Crimea and the Russian port Sevastopol to put down their own laws. They seized the building housing the Supreme Council of the republic and the president of Crimea Yuriy Meshkov, and demanded he be turned over.

Pres. Yanukovych did not sign the agreement with the EU because he was made to believe that the losses to Ukraine would be something like 35 billion, and they turned out to be more like 350 billion - something that would have caused immense hardships on the Ukrainian people. When he asked the EU to help him out, they said no and to go to the IMF. The IMF wanted to cut the Ukrainian social services 70% and double the price of gas etc. So he refused and asked Russia to help him.

I'm depending on my memory here, so the amounts I mentioned might not be totally accurate, but you get the drift of it. What happened is that Ukraine had many trade agreements with Russia, and if Ukraine joined the EU, European products would be coming into Russia under those trade agreements. This meant the agreements with Russia would have to be cancelled and the loss to Ukraine would be immense.

Putin was willing to talk with the EU about it so something could be worked out but the EU refused.

Yanukovich was the legally elected president. This means that more people voted for him than the Western leaning ones in Galatia that Nuland and Pyatt manipulated for their coup. An agreement was signed by Yanukovich and the opposition that stated he would remain president until December until new elections could be held. When he returned to his office, the Nazis threatened to kill him as well as all the representative that didn't agree with them if they didn't leave.

Vladimir Putin saved Yanukovich and his family from the Nazis, and as long as he was alive, he was the legal president until December.

Projection my dear boy, projection. Sevastopol has been Russia's seaport for 300 years, and Washington was the ones with plans to take it over and control the Black Sea area - including Russia.

When the USS Donald Cook entered the waters of the Black Sea so it could enter its new port, it was faced with a Russian jet and a small electronic device under its wings called the Khibbiny. The device shut down the ships Aegis system, and the Russian pilot kept diving and scaring the wits out of the sailors, and that demoralized them so much, that the Pentagon had to issue a protest.

Are you referring to the people of Crimea? They speak Russian, they conduct their business in Russian, they go to school in Russia and they marry Russians. Crimea like the South and East of Ukraine, was always a part of Russia. Ukraine never existed as a nation that's why it never had a king.

The name Ukraine means 'outskirts' in Greek. In other words it was considered the outskirts of Russia. Later on the Western part became part of Poland, and then the Austrian Hungarian Empire. Today its a fake nation and made up of parts of other countries given to them by Stalin and Lenin.

I think you better take a good look around you, because it doesn't look like its Russia that going to collapse. Building up Russia's economy was secondary to Vladimir Putin. His first concern was to make sure that they could withstand anything and everything. Russia is completely debt free.

More than likely it's the EU that will collapse since it is being weakened by Brexit - not to mention they all hate one another. But then again we can say the same about us. There is a saying that a house divided cannot stand.

 

I wouldn't believe too much of what VT say. They do lie.

 

I read that book. I recommend it to anyone who really wants to understand our relationship with both Russia and Afghanistan.

 

What makes you so certain it's a lie? Sorry, but I trust out experienced intelligence professionals over Russian denials.

 

And again I ask, what makes you sure it's a lie? Do you have information unavailable to the rest of us? If so, please share.

 

Lenin and all the Bolshevik one world ideologues were criminals, who overthrew the legitimate government of Russia. Today it's the very same mentality that controls Washington, that's why they support terrorists and overthrow legitimate governments.

If you're not from Western Ukraine then why so much animosity and hatred towards Russia?

Anyway, whatever happened in Ukraine was not worse than what the Bolsheviks and Soviets were doing in Russia. It was an evil system brought in from the 'enlightened' West. Blame them!

Vladimir Putin is a very humble man, he never brags. Anyway he will be there as long as the Russian people need him. You're just jealous that he was able to restore Russia after Yeltsin made a mess of it by trusting Washington. Ukraine should be so lucky.

All that hatred doesn't reflect well on your Catholic faith - nor on Christianity in general.

 

Ah yes, I keep forgetting about Russiagate and those evil Russians:





Listen my friends and please pay heed.
We have to search, we have to weed
them Russians from among us folks,
and catch them in their traitorous works.

For if we don't then they will rule,
and turn our land into a tool,
for Trump and his personal gain,
and that will be an awful shame.

For we're Americans and know what's good.
We know what's right, and what we should
be doing now, is start to fight
so we can do the fair and right.

So let us bomb them day and night,
and keep them always in our sight
to make them pay for what they say
against us in their foolish way.

And even if we turn to dust,
it matters not, for it's a must
to show them that we'll use our might,
and always do what's fair and right.

The End! - Jeannette

 

President Trump stands with the troops, just not our troops.