Russia has been paying Afghanistan militants to kill NATO troops

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read the article, and it said something about Trump that is definitely not true, so I wouldn't trust much of what it says. What I do know, is that about 5 years ago something did happen in Syria, and the Russians retaliated by bombing a secret headquarter that was hidden somewhere in the mountains. American, British, French, Israeli, Turkish and Saudi agents were killed in the attack. After that they wouldn't dare touch the Russians, so I don't see how it's possible for Trump to have ordered the killings of Russian troops.

    There was that incident though in Feb. 2018 where quite a few Russians in the Wagner mercenary group were killed. The Americans said they asked the Russians if any of their men were there and they said no, and so they bombed the area. Then again can you trust the Americans when they said they warned them.

    I doubt that the Russians would put a bounty on the lives of Nato soldiers in Afghanistan in retaliation for something that happened two years before. It's not how they work. That's purely projection. If they did put a bounty on Nato soldiers, it would be to stop them from doing something like helping the terrorists, drugs or spies get into Russia.
     
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    How about some reality Jenny Zacharova.....that do called "vote" in 91 was basically a concession of defeat....they had no choice, they were defeated.....Afstan proved that.



    Yanukovich didn't sign anything because Putinka was giving Ukraine 15 billion.....actually he was giving Yanuk the 15 billion$$$$ so he would keep Ukraine barefoot and stupid. Check out his mansion at Mezhyria.....he had toilets made of gold. Now that's what you call a billion dollar dump!! ROFL.

    BTW.....how's Yanuk these days, has he run out of Putinka $$$?


    Ukraine existed far longer than paRussia Moskva ever did......weren't there bears ****ing where Moscow stands today.....and whatever inhabitants there were , were shining the sword shields for Ghengis Khan, today's Russians.
     
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    Well....I don't hate the vatniks.....I just don't respect them. Hard to respect someone who loses an "empire" like they did.

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    Restore Russia?.....50% or more of vatniks live below poverty line. Some restoration.


    Well I'm not Catholic.....I don't have anything against it.

    But the Catholics progressed well....biggest religion almost, & wealthy.

    Orthodox ...."pravoslavnekeh", well I'll say this....300 yrs ago they wiped their backsides with birch bark and dry leaves.....300 yrs later they're still doing the same. The more things change....more it stays the same.:roflol:
     
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  4. Quadhole

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    Deflect - 5 years and 2 months ago our fathers blah, blah, blah... "as long as it isnt TRUMP, right ?
     
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    Your abject worship of Putin tells me all I need to know.

    Do us a favor and move to Russia.
     
  6. (original)late

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    The heart of the Cold War was economic isolation of Russia. The hope was that the command economy of the USSR would eventually fail. It worked.

    Words like extortion and punishment come to mind to describe what Russia did to Ukraine, at that time.

    Nazis were a small part of the uprising.

    Yanukovich was a puppet.

    I know, Putin wants his empire back. His revanchist ambitions do not make Ukraine fake.

    It's the same pattern. The next collapse will happen after Putin is gone, perhaps even a generation after he's gone. But the damage Putin has inflicted guarantees it will happen again.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    They all lie when they want to, yes.

    I don't agree with everything VT says, but they do provide a good perspective, one of retired spooks and military men.

    On many subjects their analysis has been spot on, and sometimes they fail, no doubt.
     
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    OK - but what does this have to do with the OP ? I can think of some possibilities but no idea what you are getting at.
     
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    I was responding to Jeanette.

    Russia and the West have extremely different perspectives. Or should I say Putin? In any case, Russia has this narrative that's a very tall tale.
     
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    Sure - Propaganda and Putin go hand in hand. Looks like he now has a near dictatorship in sheeps clothing.

    The OP however is USA State Sponsored Propaganda - having nothing to do with Russian Propaganda.
     
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    Apart from the fact that I think that this is more of a new version of "Saddam definitely has WMD" from back then ... so just a plain lie by the US secret services and the government like back then ...
    Or like Bush Jr. back then "the missile defense shield in Poland is to protect Europe against evil missiles from Iran and North Korea" although both countries definitely had no missiles at that time and you just didn't want to say that you so that Russia wanted to provoke ..

    Honestly? ... "who cares if true?"!

    American did quite the same in Afghanistan against the Russians once in the 1980's and also with paying the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden for it ... and delivering Stingers too. What is again the difference now?
    That it was during cold was is no excuse at all and at least the same way evil what the US did once!

    Not me ... because what is agin written in the Bible quoted by the oh-so-Christian Americans?

    An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth ...

    The US did exactly the same thing in the 1980s ... and the new cold war with Russia at the time, the USA started, not Russia. This is a proven fact, even if many Americans don't like this fact and they tell all kinds of BS to deny it!

    Correct! :applause:
     
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    Uh huh ...

    what the hack have you still to do in Iraq again with what permission? And who started to shot on Iraqi Shia militias in Iraq again please and killed an Iranian General who was official invited into Iraq again?
    What gave you again the legal right to do it please?

    And what has the US to do in Syria again with what right to be there please ... and why did they shot hundreds of Tomahawks into Syria, also targeted on Russians in Syria who have a permission to be in Syria?

    Would you allow Russiand to be in Yemen to help the Houthi Rebels against the governemnt and Saudi Arabia? For sure not, because you tell it is your area of influence, right?
    Then get in your head that Syria is Russians area of influence and you have to piss off with any ground forces from there ... simple like that!
    But because you still retreated and let the former allies of Kurdish YPG alone against Turkey with the remark of trump that they were Obamas allies, but no his ... because you was afraid when Erdogan in Turkey threat the US with an ottoman slap in the face if they help the YPG former ... it explains all!

    So wake up from your pink "US is the best and greatest of all Lala land" and face realities
     
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    And I wait for the time when he simply dies ... best solution for the world like the death of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
     
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    Please prove your claim about this being "USA State Sponsored Propaganda."
     
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    Sorry to intervene ... but can you give any proof that this all is not only category BS fake news like once done by Bush with "Saddam has for sure and by evidence still WMD ... and he tried to buy Uranium in Africa etc. ..." ...?

    Or are you one of those who still believe that these infamous lies of Bush Administraton to reason attack on Iraq in 2003 were the truth?
     
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    Off topic, but no, I already knew, before we invaded Iraq in 2003, that Saddam had shot his wad on chemical weapons when he gaased the Kurds in northern Iraq. Solid evidence from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) indicated that while Saddam still had a few containers of mustard gas, he no longer had a delivery system. Our own intelligence professionals confirmed this.

    In this case, however, it is our own intelligence official who have corroborated the details, including the money transfers between a known Russian intelligence account to the accounts of specific Taliban leaders.

    So far, Trump and company have given us nothing but denials, and they've done nothing to retaliate. The worst part is that they didn't bother to inform out soldiers of this imminent danger.
     
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    First question - do you know what propaganda is ? and 2) do you know that propaganda is a multi billion dollar industry in this nation.
     
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    There's that tolerant left again. I never llike Obama and I think he was a shitty president but couldn't imagine wanting him to die. or anyone I simply disagree with.

    You need help, creep.
     
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    So, no proof that this, the issue of Russia putting bounties on our soldiers' heads, is propaganda. Duly noted.
     
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    Can't give proof for something you refuse to define. You first have to know what you are asking for - before you can receive an answer :)

    Making a big deal about something that is normal and pretending it is abnormal in an effort to demonize is "Propaganda"
     
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    No ... I don't need. It is not about liking or not liking with Trump ... it is about hating. And I would write the same if this jerk still will be only a CEO and VIP and not President, because I hate this bastard since more than 2 decades ... Got it?
     
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    DEBUNKED![/size=7]
     
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    Sorry that I stay very sceptical still.

    From the United States ... secret services and / or governments ... too often fake news and false evidence up to fraud have been used for own interests to force on others that I can't trust the information here realy to be correct.

    Indeed ... if they were true, then Trump did something really evil and wrong ... even if his red MAGA cap fans would of course never recognize and acknowledge that ... and Russia didn't glory.
    However ... I couldn't really blame the Russians because, as I said, the United States in Afghanistan 40 years ago did exactly the same thing against Russia ... that Russia is now supposed to do or has actually done to the United States in Afghanistan. Therefore ... well ... both are acknowledged and it is a result then of 1:1 ;-)
     
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    Intel found bank transfers, the army found cash, we informed our allies.

    Try saying that in a bathroom mirror.

    Once or twice a day should be enough.
     
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    Sceptical of what, exactly? Russia paid bounties, Trump did nothing about it. He never does where Russia is concerned. That's one of the many things that makes me sceptical every time he denies something by calling it a hoax.
     

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