That statue in England that ended up in the bay?

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    thats why iexplicitly stated that White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented RACE BASED chattel slavery.

    plz provide evidence of jews being born into slavery, thanks.
     
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    actually, that "key" word was not even in the codes lol, ijust added that. the codes just mention "negro". do you believe blacks were in america before columbus or something? because thats what you would be implying by stating that since where else did blacks come from?
     
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    We all live with the product of history and the gains made by those who lived it. Nobody is rushing to give The US back to the Indians but they want to pretend that they would have done something different. It's not too late, give your part back and jump on a slow boat to Europe.
     
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    I disagree. Britains debt is so deep that any perceived pay back is as nothing.
     
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    Americans revere their constitution that was drawn up under slave ownership. It is seen as still valid now and the impact of criminal slavery is still valid now.
     
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    As you refuse to deal with the issues raised and are instead just showing your prejudice I am not going to waste my time with you. When information is given you you just ignore it and come out with more of your support for the Atlantic Slave Trade and the ill treatment of others. Personally I see amends as people putting the situation right. Hence those who marched in support after Georgy Floyd was murdered I see as making amends.

    What is going on is what Professor Michael Alexander has written a book about called 'The New Jim Crow'. She also explains what is really going on in Chicago which you tried to present as evidence that black people were inferior to white people and more violent. You project your own motivations onto others. I do not expect you to watch the video I am going to put in because I know from your answers to me that you have no interest in gaining genuine information on this. You believe in keeping black people inferior. You believe it is fine and Dandy to keep black people slaves for hundreds of years in order to make money out of them - and that is where your fear of having to make amends comes from. Someone once told me of a recurring dream she had. She had killed someone in the first dream. In the recurring dreams she had to kill more and more people to stop being caught and she would always wake up feeling dreadful. That is how people often act when they feel guilty. Rather than admit it and make amends and as far as American Blacks are concerned that would involve stopping the New Jim Crow and giving them a change...but because people cannot face their guilt and fear having to make amends they carry on harming more and more and more people and by so doing destroy their own humanity.

    For anyone else who is interested in the situation in Chicago, interested in why the US now has the most imprisoned people in the world in high tech Prisons (The US now has 2.200,000 people in jail. In 1980 it had 330,000) Once they have been there they are given no chance of making a life when they come out, cannot get a job while having zero access to benefits and usually a vote resulting in the revolving door - it was either half the black families in Chicago or in the US only having one parent living with them while the other is holed up in one of these prisons - and that is frequently because they have had drugs 'planted' on them. In Chicago people are not in prison for violence in numbers. The largest number of people in Prison in Chicago are there for the lowest felony on cannabis there is and as I said this is frequently in the first instance because the police have planted it on them. They then have a revolving prison door for the rest of their lives which is not surprising given that they have no other possibilities.

    This video is electrifying. The Professor is engaging and so alive. I don't think I have ever been so riveted to my seat watching it and I don't think any video has touched me so much. Please check it out and give it to anyone you think may like it because it appears that a lot of people simply do not know what is going on - as she herself says, at one time that was her herself.

     
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    What also came over very strongly in that video was the way the American Working Class are being exploited against blacks and I would say that goes with Neo Liberalism and the end of the short try of democracy in the US. She believes they need to work with the WC - that together they can make change and she believes what they should be emphasisng is not race or civic rights but human rights for all of the people of the US - particularly the WC.
     
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    I have been thinking recently that the US really needs something to recognise what they have done to black people - like the German's have to those they harmed in the Holocaust....but it seems this is now happening. It has begun with a memorial to victims of lynching

     
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    No, it means that those imported from Africa were slaves but there were plenty of freemen in America even before the revolution, Crispus Attucks for instance. Therefore to say all African Americans were slaves is a fallacy.
     
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    the laws in america at that time stated that "“All Negroes remain for ever after absolute slaves.” those are the written slave codes.
     
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    Of course do we live with the history from our ancestors and the results out of it. And history can no longer be reversed, because what had happened has happened and can no longer be undone or shaped differently.
    But it always depends on how you deal with history, because that is ultimately the decisive factor.
    This means that you never ... I emphasize NEVER ... evaluate history with today's view of things and judge it if bad or good ... but always with the common values, morality and views of the depending time.
    But this also includes the correct handling of the past history itself ... because one should always learn from the story, accept it as it happened, not deny it and under no circumstances begin to falsify it.

    Your example of the whites' with the indians / natives in the United States is a fine example.
    These crimes happened and some of them were even a crime with the common view at the time ... but on the other hand the view and handling of the natives was generally bad at the time and most whites viewed the Indians as bloodthirsty savages to sub-humans.
    With today's view of things, it was a crime for sure and that has to be accepted without generally condemning the ancestors for it - only if it was a crime at the time too like slaughtering 300 innocent Indians as done by Custer. It is therefore important how you deal with the natives today and how much you accept that the past has shadows. And that's exactly where the problem is ... because Custer was an ambiguous figure with light and shadow, but many Americans ignore the shadows and still only want to see the beaming hero in Custer still today.

    Or take Kevin Costner with his movie "dances with wolves" and later in the 1990's done reportage "500 Nations" ... he got a shitstorm for it by many White Supremcy, because it destroyed their "Hollywood view" on American history about Indians totally ...
     
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    Messed all that up. More coffee.
     
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    No, my point is that not every African American in colonial or the pre-emancipation United States was a slave, surely you accept that as historical fact?
     
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    my point is that the laws in america at that time stated that "“All Negroes remain for ever after absolute slaves.” those are the slave codes written into american law.
     
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    The owner of Crispus advertised he was willing to pay 10 pounds if you were able to bring him back.
     
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    Sorry... but with a look on American history, it is unfortunately not correct as you write it!
    Before American Independence, the British law of this time was valid in these 13 colonies of the British. After Independence it was a matter of state law and not Federal law. and as you know ... the northern states started then to give up slavery ... state after state ... but in the Southern States it remains... what then at least brought the the civil war of 1860...
     
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    it was mentioned earlier that english law prohibited this race based system if a black person was baptised, however in the south, laws were passed in multiple states that "“All Negroes remain for ever after absolute slaves.” those are the slave codes written into american law.
     
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    Sure ... but not this way given in all states and this is the point. Basically, a lot depended on how far plantation economy was given or not.
    The British were once also using slaves and under their rules (and other European powers at this time) slavery entered soil of the USA. And so British law ruled once with the wording you mentioned. :)
     
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    no thats not the point, the whole point is that White Jewish Europeans and White Christian Europeans invented race based chattel slavery, in america.
     
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    Also not correct ... because some Indians / natives in Northern America had still slavery before Whites came ... and those well-known Empires in Central and Southern America like Aztecs and Incas also had slavery long before.

    But you are so far right that the slavery of black people from Africa was implemented by several White European countries in America ... ;-)
     
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    also not correct. native americans did not practice race based chattel slavery. that was invented and practiced by white christian europeans and white jewish europeans.
     
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    Got a source? His details are quite blurry?
     
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    Sorry ... define race and racism please! ;-)
     
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    Those in denial regarding the British enthusiastic development of the slave trade tend to bring up 'what about' comparisons. As in 'how come Cro Magnoms enslaved Neanderthals and nobody says a word about it?'
    Simply rubbish diversion tactic.
    The British codified, and regulated, and weighed up profits and losses, kept records, paid taxes, got insurance for their rather industrial businesslike work in the slave trade.
    Make all the comparisons you want, they are nothing compared to the efficiency that the British codified cruelty at the time.
    You have to wonder what motivates those who wish to deny such a bald fact.
     

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