Why statists hate capitalism

1) The irony is wonderful. You don't have a problem with government spending on war, but social spending is the work of the devil... Economists fear deflation for extremely good reasons. If the people that wound up in WW2 had gone in malnourished and dispirited, that would have been a hell of a problem. There is a point in there, it is that conservatives prevented FDR spending enough to get us out of the Great Depression, at least until the war.

2) The big bucks came after Apollo was over.

3) Drug companies couldn't afford the do the vast majority of the research. You have implicitly conceded my point here, that it's a successful cooperation.

 

I have never said the social spending is evil, but there is social spending and then there is social spending. The first is spent to provide essential support for clearly necessary things: some R&D, roads and bridges, help for the seriously down trodden, for example. The other and most is predominately pandering and vote buying that I would classify as evil. The Constitution says nothing about social spending. No social spending actions are in the enumerated list of what the federal government can do. The preamble says to "promote the general welfare" which means avoid doing things that might inhibit or restrict the people's ability to better themselves; it does not say to provide for the general welfare.

The Constitution says the federal government's has the purpose, power, authority and obligation to spend money on war. Here it does say "provide for the common defense" and is included in the enumerated powers.

 

One of the reasons the other developed countries were able to dramatically reduce the number of corona cases is because they have national health care.

Countries that have successful education have federal schools, or federal standards. Standards wouldn't work here.

Etc, etc.

I'll try and find a time machine for you.

 

I would love to see an example how National Healthcare has reduced China Virus. Did ir mandate quarantine in a certain way??? What are you talking about? Quarantine never stopped it anyway. Quarantine til the economy collapses. When you come out......it will be waiting to pounce!
Using the China Virus to grow government is an evil in itself.

 

People without good healthcare are a disease vector.

 

You gave a definition of rational and still don't understand it?

Water turning a wheel is automation. Based on the definition of automation I gave.

You are the one denying water is wet. LOL. totally unrational.

 

How boring.

au·to·ma·tion
/ˌôdəˈmāSH(ə)n/

noun
noun: automation; plural noun: automations
the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

The water wheel neither turns itself off or on, does not monitor or control itself, does not feed the grain it is grinding nor bag the flour. It is a base mechanical function.
Gravity runs it. it's only functions are start and stop. It's automatic in the same way as a rock rolling down hill.

Don't embarrass yourself further.

 

Water spinning a wheel. Read on it. It improved the production process because no longer humans were required to turn the wheel.

A rock stops rolling losing all energy at the bottom of the hill.
The wheel spins doing work as long as the water is flowing.
If one really wants to further the wheel work with stop and start, one just makes the water divert to and from wheel as wanted.

 

NONE of which is automated, but are manual or natural processes.

Please, stop embarrassing yourself. Not complimentary for anyone to do that.

 

Wow. You need to stop embarrassing yourself. It is getting quite shameful.

 

Most people who hate capitalism hate it because they suck at it. You're more likely to want socialized medicine if you don't have health coverage. It's just a fact.

 

Horse hockey. They are both hard-core corporatists, as are most Republicans.

 

Nonsense one of the reasons a few other countries did better than us, and many did a hell of a lot worse us because they're comparatively the size of a postage stamp. China's been lying from the git go, and North Korea and Russia barely even discuss it. Much of Scandinavian just ignored it and seem to have no worse outcomes than anyone else. The difference isn't socialized medicine it's population density.

 

Nonsense. The government basically says this critter we found on the bottom of the sea seems to have some interesting proteins in it that we think are related to these other proteins that were useful in the past. Want to see what you can do with them?

Woods Hole oceanographic get 80% of its funding from government grants. The bulk of the remaining 20% comes from corporate sponsors. And a lot if the truly cutting edge deep sea stuff is specifically corporate funded. That's from the Woods hole donor page.

 

There were no government programs prior to WWII to feed the poor.

 

1) Love how you say postage stamp in one breath, and the very next word out is China. China is not a postage stamp...

2)One country... and in no way did they ignore it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xpert-says-the-world-still-doesn-t-understand

3) Oh, look, now you are rewriting epidemiology. Good luck with the fantasy life.

 

My point is that capitalism is a cooperation between business and government.

Thanks for supporting what I said.

 

Dude as in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy corporations are creatures of the state. Hell it was FDRs NRA that put most if them together in the first place.

 

"As part of his New Deal, President Franklin D. Roosevelt broke with a governmental tradition of leaving the job of fighting hunger entirely to charities.

Initially, his administration sought to alleviate the spiking poverty rate brought about by the Great Depression by directly distributing surplus pork, dairy products, flour and other surplus food to people who had trouble getting food on the table.

FDR’s administration then adopted a new model in 1939 that used food stamps for the first time in a short-lived program.

The program ended four years later amid the economic and employment boom World War II brought about."

https://theconversation.com/from-fd...y-of-helping-the-poor-get-enough-to-eat-91813

 

Not capitalism corporatism.

 

You will need to unpack that. The history is that, since the 1700s, capitalism is like that.

 

No it has not. Capitalism, the exchange of goods and services between people has been around as long as there have been people. Government not so much.

 

You need to learn the history.

This has been the first book in thousands of Econ 101 classes. It's short, you can read it in a couple days. It doesn't have a single number in it. What it does have is explanation of what economies are, and do. Your library can get you a copy easily.
https://www.amazon.com/Cities-Wealt...00643&sprefix=cities+and+the+w,aps,156&sr=8-2

After you've read that you can look at the actual history. I own the whole set, but you only need Vol. 2 your library should be able to get this, as well. It used to be cheap.

https://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Comme...qid=1593600736&sprefix=braudel,aps,157&sr=8-5

 

The only thing you have accomplished is to demonstrate the scope of your logic.
With nothing to win over so ridiculous a point, the facts being obvious, you chose to pursue it.
Fine. Your problem.

 

Dude people have been conducting trade since there were people. We know this not from economists but from archeologists and historians. Half the code if Hammurabi is about regulating water rights and establishing uniform Weights and measures a lot of the Bible talks of the same sorts of thing, see Leviticus. Note the fact that they were regulating it is a firm indication that trade was going on before those were written. Government is almost always reactive not creative.