Obamacare: Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act

They all but gave Trump a roadmap on how he can do DACA if he's reelected. Even if he had won, he couldn't start deporting people until after the election. One way or the other, DACA is dead.

 

Bullshit.

ACA for me was a godsend.

Soon after i signed up with the ACA, I recieved an expensive operation, my share was $900 in three monthly installments. For me, the ACA was a godsend. I hear lots complaining about the high deductibles, but no one mentions silver plans, though slightly more, have deductibles of $500. That is what I did, i signed up with Healthnet and my monthly payment is $132, $10 copays, and I recieve about $700 worth of meds each month for only $20. The premium was $732 and the ACA paid $600 of it. The clinic is a private clinic, my doctor is really cool, in nice area, when I'm scheduled, I'm usually the only one in the waiting room. I'm in CA which embraced Obamacare and the state exchange was very robust, with many choices of plans and doctors.

This move by Trump, if succeeds, will take away health care for 23,000,000 people.

Not a good move.

 

Maybe if corporations paid these folks a livable wage, they wouldn't need public assistance. Dems favor a progressive tax, which, if you are in a lower bracket, you wouldn't pay that much.

But you don't have a problem with the fact that 1/3 of all drug research and development is paid for by taxpayers, to the benefit of corporations who do not pay the taxpayers back.

And, not to mention the fact that many rich companies like Amazon pay no tax, not to mention subsidies given to oil companies who are recording record profits.

https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fa...loser-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#1

Trump’s Fiscal Year 2017 Budget Proposal, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimated that eliminating tax breaks for intangible drilling costs would generate $1.59 billion in revenue in 2017, or $13 billion in the next ten years.

But would Trump eliminate those subsidies to oil companies? No, he drastically cut their taxes.

More over, the rich's aggregate inherited wealth accrues in value far in excess of inflation, the vast majority of that wealth is not worked for, it just increases in value which escapes taxation, and when it escapes taxation, others have to take up the slack.

Moreover, none of the very rich churches pay taxes.

But, you don't have a problem with any of that, which tells us where your priorities are.

 

That was before they understood how it worked. Now that many of Trump voters have it, they are finding out they like it.

Obamacare is more popular than Trump.

 

Well, if you can figure out a way to get people stop eating crap food, I'm all ears.

In the mean time, ACA does indeed have majority public support.

 

What is a point of catastrophic policy if in case of serious illness the patient can't work and cannot get next term of insurance as unprofitable?
What kind of decision on health care you can make? Yes, sure you can make decision never get sick or never get into the accident, but I do not want to support those kind of decision makers with tax payer's (my) money. Minor diseases and several conditions can lead to great complications, like coronavirus pneumonia.

The cheapest way for taxpayer is to provide health care to everyone, so everyone get medical help on time without delayed and complicated treatment.

 

Oh yes they love paying 9 times as much for health insurance so that the government can tax the insurance companies. Please take more money from us.

And the Earth is flat and the Illuminati invented Easter.

 

Really!
Do you know that U.S. congress set the limit of medical providers every year? I.e. set an artificial deficit of doctors?
Do you know that drug import is strictly limited, while most of the drug is made in China?

 

How am I vilifying corporations? Corporations provide work for millions of Americans. Corporations are needed to raise the capital to finance expansion and job creation. Now I don't think corporations are citizens. And I don't like that multinationals corporations have no/little civic duty/american pride. I would love to se a return of main street corporatism that existed in the 60s and 70s. I remember when corporations were good neighbors and contributed to the community in more ways than just jobs.

 

OMG! Trump asking SCOTUS a question! THIS Is CLEARLY an abuse of power and requires immediate IMPEACHMENT! Okay, This is starting to look like that metal lion avatar members posts. So I’ll stop now heh

 

Presumably you both think that nothing is better than Obamacare.

 

You do not know what you are talking about. I was 64 when I signed up for the ACA, and the silver plan was $132 per month, $500 deductible, $10 copays for doctor visits, the premium was $732 and ACA paid $600 of it, and my monthly drug bill was $620, and ACA paid $600 of it.

You know nothing.

 

So people have no idea what they need or want, according to you. No one should be responsible for their own actions, according to you. The point of catastrophic policies, is that you pay for all the 'other than' stuff out of your own pocket. Some of the policies basically had a high deductible, and included the discounted (HA!) insurance rate. But for someone who was generally healthy, it was a wise choice.

How wonderful that you support such an idea. Please feel free to do so with your money, aye?

 

'The ACA paid $600 of it'. Do tell, who is the ACA, and where did it get the money to pay for your health insurance premiums?

 

Probably it would effect rates of pay.

You do understand that the overall tax benefits of an expense, while being excluded from the taxing base, is only worth the percentage of the tax?

 

When I was in school, there was always one fat kid. When I picked my kids up from school, they are everywhere. This is not an easy trend to reverse. Getting people to take the fork out of their mouth and move around is a lot harder than getting tax payers to pay for medicating them.

 

Your anecdotal example doesn't make my post BS. I am glad you received the care you needed, but we would not be discussing this if we didn't have record levels of illness. The vast majority of illnesses are preventable. 1 in 3 Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic as a result of eating the Standard American Diet (SAD) most of which is subsidized. Once symptoms show, pharm products are prescribed so that the patient may comfortably continue consuming their subsidized diet.

Results speak for themselves. ACA did not make Americans healthier. Food and drug companies enjoy their record profits while Americans continue to get fatter and sicker.

Im sorry to hear you take that many meds.

 

What you eat is important in terms of how fat you get. We have way too much processed food and changing our diet would help cut obesity. Getting more exercise would help, of course.

 

We can't blame the ACA for people getting fatter and sicker.

 

We can start by not forcing tax payers to subsidize it. Most of what is making people sick is subsidized.When the majority of our population is sick, they will support ACA. When the level of sickness reaches the tipping point and there are not enough healthy people to work and pay, we will have no other choice.

 

Instead of forcing healthy people to pay for the bad habits of others, a "Fat Tax" that they can either pay in cash or miles on a treadmill, would be better.





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We absolutely can. When bad habits become painful, people change their habits. When you medicate that pain away, they comfortably continue down their path of illness. Now they can play Xbox and eat Chunky Monkey without the discomfort of personal responsibility.

I remember watching a commercial for Restless Leg Syndrome. (RLS) I have it. The cure is simple. Get off the couch and move until you're tired.

2 of my kids were diagnosed with ADHD. Teachers and doctors tried to push meds. One doctor told me that my son would likely end up in prison if we didn't put him on meds. The cure is simple. A drum kit, skateboard, and little league baseball did the trick. It turns out that kids are just wiggly.

Notice how every other commercial is for a pharm product or a class action lawsuit for damage caused by a pharm product?

 

Libertarian think. The whole point of ACA and any universal health care is preventative medicine, and when there is a catastrophic illness or injury, someone doesn't have to declare bankruptcy, and you don't get their without subsidy. It's for the greater good. ACA is just a compromise, what progressives want is single payer, which will save America money, on the whole.

Libertarians are 50% wacko.

 

There is no way in hell you are going to get Americans to stop eating crap food. They didn't stop eating it before the ACA, and killing the ACA won't improve the situation.

In the meantime, we need to get everyone health care, and single payer is the answer.

However, regarding the ACA, it's all many people have god.

If it helped me, it helped millions, so my point isn't 'anecdotal'.

If you can figure out a way to get Americans off 'SAD', I'm all ears, but killing the ACA won't do it. I remember what life was like before the ACA, the status quo is NOT the answer.

Yes, the ACA has issues, you are right, but killing it is not the answer, fixing it is the answer, but repubs have been sabatoging it.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2019/07/26/12-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/

One thing the gov can do is force meat companies to quit putting antibiotics and hormones in meat and other food companies to stop putting high fructose corn syrup and sugar as a food additive. Those three things could be achieved with legislation, and doing those two things would greatly increase the health of Americans, but, of course, the food and meat lobby is powerful. So, we have to change the system in it's entirety, but taking away access to health care is cruel, and not the answer.

 

I understand your point, but results speak for themselves. It is the polar opposite of preventative care. One would have to ignore results to consider it a greater good.