The military bases named after confederate losers

Not so easy to change them. Lets take the example of one of the airfields on Fort Bragg. Its ICAO identifier is BRG, which stands for Bragg. There are hundreds of thousands of maps and charts with that identifier in flight folders, in base operations, in weather stations and probably a few other places I have not thought of. Not just at military bases, but at civilian bases and military bases world wide. Then there are numerous non aviation related publications that include those identifier. This whole mess spills over to just about everything military. Pay, personnel. It goes on and on. Then after you finally get rid of every single piece of paper with those names, which ain't going to happen, you have people who will continue to use the old names out of habit. You would have to spend a lot of time around aviation to realize how intentionally those names are buried. For instance, Richards Gebaur AFB is referred to as Dicky Goober. Little Rock AFB is commonly called Jacksonville.

 

Uh... the AP disagrees

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9009420680

Lee was, by all reports I've heard, a kindly and considerate Master, but a slave master nonetheless. (The myth of the "kindly master" was more honored in the breach but it WAS an ideal most at least knew of, and had some precedence in the old British ideal of "noblesse oblige")

"State's Rights" was largely the right to own slaves. The Tariff controversy had been pretty much settled by a Compromise in Congress in 1850

 

Uh. Not that simple.

" Some people were quick to point out that, though Lee led the Civil War on the side of slavery, he himself was not racist. He actually freed his father’s slaves when he became an adult, and this sentiment has been around for decades. But history is full of personalities that are inspiring, contradictory, mysterious, and poignant. Lee has been consciously cast in a favorable light right from the time of his death, even in the North."
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles...s-grant-held-slaves-robert-e-lee-did-not.html

As I have mentioned, times were different. We can claim moral superiority now using our standards. Even those who did not believe in slavery, did not necessarily believe that blacks were equal to whites.

And some point in the distant future, there may be the same attitude towards eating meat. It may become just as repulsive as owning slaves, maybe even more so.

 

What about the destruction of property? How about breaking the law? Should we just get over that also? Never mind with an answer. But remember what comes around goes around. Keep appeasing lawless behavior and you will get more criminals. One day you could be the victim.

 

There are always inconveniences but names ARE changed. Somebody's got to keep the road sign makers employed

 

You and Trump seem to be confused how the whole "united" states thingy works.

 

You sound like you'd have been big on turning in Harriet Tubman, all to protect the private property you understand.

 

"And get the smoke down deep in your lungs, it's the healthiest thing you can do" Woody Allen Sleeper

"I can't go on like this, I haven't had a shower in 8 hours". Woody Allen Sleeper

 

It still costs a lot of money to do it and I showed why.

 

I see you have no counter argument. Times were very different.

It was 1964 before separate drinking fountains were outlawed in the US. Getting rid of slavery did not get rid of the attitude.

 

A good deal less than vandalism. I'd say we change several every year here and Baltimore isn't that big a city.

We changed Dunrovin and that was regarded as cute by several, but it was attracting attention.

 

What about those racist cities and states that had segregated drinking fountains and bathrooms.. Shouldn't they have to change their names. Then we had streets with segregated drinking fountains and bathrooms. We need t change those also. Obviously we need to change everything. But even that will not be good enough because many of them were used in the English Language which is also obviously racist.

Changing several a year will never work. It has to be done now because the rioting and destruction will continue until it is done. Not just in those places, but everywhere, just like now.

 

Robert E. Lee had no choice but to fight to keep slavery because he was drafted?????

 

Did I say that?

 

To change the name of something, however, for politically correct purposes, is morally indefensible, in my opinion.

 

"Fort Liberty" it is.


Fort Bragg name change ceremony watch live | Confederate namesake dropped in favor of Liberty as part of US Army base rebranding
7 hours ago


Fort Bragg in North Carolina becomes Fort Liberty

 

These names were given to military bases at a time when the country was trying to recover from the Civil War. In 1868, U.S Grant ran on the slogan, “Let us have peace.” If that made the Rebels feel better then, what was the harm? Now if they want to change them, so what?

Some of these guys, like Braxton Bragg and John Bell Hood were not good generals anyway. Some Confederate troops especially disliked Bragg because he was unnecessarily cruel to some men who got out of line. Read the book, Company Echh, which was written by a Confederate soldier.

 

Great reviews and as mentioned in the comments, Ken Burns often quoted Sam Watkins in his "Civil War" series.

'Co. Aytch: A Confederate Memoir of the Civil War '
Paperback – November 1, 2003
by Sam R. Watkins (Author)

A classic Civil War memoir, Co. Aytch is the work of a natural storyteller who balances the horror of war with an irrepressible sense of humor and a sharp eye for the lighter side of battle. It is a testament to one man’s enduring humanity, courage, and wisdom in the midst of death and destruction.

Early in May 1861, twenty-one-year-old Sam R. Watkins of Columbia, Tennessee, joined the First Tennessee Regiment, Company H, to fight for the Confederacy. Of the 120 original recruits in his company, Watkins was one of only seven to survive every one of its battles, from Shiloh to Nashville.

Twenty years later, with a “house full of young ‘rebels’ clustering around my knees and bumping about my elbows,” he wrote this remarkable account—a memoir of a humble soldier fighting in the American Civil War, replete with tales of the common foot soldiers, commanders, Yankee enemies, victories, defeats, and the South’s ultimate surrender on April 26, 1865.'
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reviews
https://www.amazon.com/Co-Aytch-Confederate-Memoir-Civil/dp/0743255410

 

the cotton at arlington was picked by robots? or did it grow into bales on its own? lee had slaves during the war to cook, shine boots, tend to traveler and the other things no gentleman did for himself.

 

Nah.
To change a name that represents America's unjust and immoral past is the morally correct thing to do.

 

Not quite.

Myths & Misunderstandings | Lee as a slaveholder

snip:

'Robert E. Lee personally owned slaves that he inherited upon the death of his mother, Ann Lee, in 1829. (His son, Robert E. Lee Jr., gave the number as three or four families.) Following the death of his father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, in 1857, Lee assumed command of 189 enslaved people, working the estates of Arlington, White House, and Romancoke. Custis’ will stipulated that the enslaved people that the Lee family inherited be freed within five years.

Lee, as executor of Custis’ will and supervisor of Custis’ estates, drove his new-found labor force hard to lift those estates from debt. Concerned that the endeavor might take longer than the five years stipulated, Lee petitioned state courts to extend his control of enslaved people.

The Custis bondspeople, aware of their former owner’s intent, resisted Lee’s efforts to enforce stricter work discipline. Resentment resulted in escape attempts. In 1859 Wesley Norris, his sister Mary, and their cousin, George Parks, escaped to Maryland where they were captured and returned to Arlington.

In an 1866 account, Norris recalled,

[W]e were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget;

cont:
https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-lee-slaveholder/

 

His wife owned the slaves.