Obamacare: Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act

What is wrong with you? It's not affordable. if it was the government wouldn't have to subsidize it. The government is forcing people to purchase something many do not want and at a cost they can't afford and you are fine with that because you have no concept of personal responsibility. if you want healthcare pay for it yourself.

 

Now you are contradicting yourself. #436. Everyone pays taxes which are spent in ways they don't like. No one is excluded, that's the nature of taxes.

You want people to suffer. Brilliant.

 

For me, health care would be $700 per month. No way could I afford that, not in my profession. The ACA is designed for people like me, there are about 23,000,000 of us. But, you want all of them to suffer, that says a lot about you.

ALL TAXES ARE FORCED. So what, you want to end taxes?

I hear your bitch, but unfortunately, there is a greater need than your personal need, you are overruled, it's the need of 23,000,000 people and if dems get control, and they will, we will increase it to cover EVERYONE, and that is that.

That's the nature of collective efforts. I'd rather not support a bloated military, but I'm not going around complaining about 'being forced'.


The Affordable Care Act makes it affordable via the subsidy.

You want a free market solution, well, there are none. They don't work, and that is why in 50 western developed countries they have some variant of Universal Health Care.

This is the free market at work:



**** the free market when it comes to health care.

 

It's you that doesn't get it. It is the subsidies that make it affordable.

 

learn how to use the quote mechanism, you are embarrassing yourself.

What do I care how the gov sets prices? That is between the doctor and the gov, my doctor WAS NOT FORCED to accept medicare

Capiche?

Okay, your ad hominems are unwarranted and are lowering the tone needlessly, so off to the kill file you go. Cya.

 

Why not simple work to lower the costs?

 

the government keeps the reimbursement rate low to keep costs low. Think for once.

 

Do you realize that once you use your high deductible insurance, you will be uninsurable?
Absolutely, people have no idea what they need when it comes to their health.
In order to know what you need you have to have medical education at a minimum.
Did not you hear the stories how perfectly healthy man suddenly had heart attack?
Majority of men are in perfect health before they get to the emergency with heart problem.

 

Obamacare is not government healthcare aside from the fact the government sets the reimbursement rates and the deductibles, it wrote the entire law, it simply expanded medicaire/medicaid which is a government program, it is run off a government server. Aside from that the government has nothing to do with it. Democrats are a danger to themselves.

 

We are saving that for Biden.

 

That halfwit will use more healthcare services than the entire state of Florida.

 

You didn't pay any taxes for UCA it was implemented when you were in your 60s. That is a completely new tax.

Yeah I pay taxes for the fire truck and fire fighters and I pay taxes for your low cost insurance and can't afford my own.

As long as you get yours **** everyone else right?

UCA Is a new tax you never paid yet you benefit from. That's the difference. SS isn't good enough.

Providing you with cheap insurance isn't it's role.

How is ACA social security? Do you even have any clue what you are talking about?

Self centered entitled brats too.

Yeah just make more and more and more government programs tax the middle class into oblivion.

Social security wasn't enough, Medicare wasn't enough, more more more gimme gimme gimme.

We had needs covered with social security and Medicare but that isn't enough. You want five star health insurance and you want everybody else to pay for it.

Lying to excuse your self centeredness...tsktsktsk.

For the third time there was already Medicare and social security.

 

You'll like it once you try it.

 

Didn't say they didn't rise you claiming I did is a dishonest strawman.

Premiums more than quadrupled with the ironically named ACA.

yes now the only people that can afford it or the people that get a subsidy I hope you enjoy it on the backs of everyone else.

it's only affordable if you get a subsidy. To everyone else it's a ******n ripoff. They gave it a name to make you feel good about it.

the rip-off for healthcare act doesn't sell as well the people like you.

and they will have gone most of their life without insurance because it's too expensive it is not affordable that is a lie.

I know better than you I've tried to purchase it and I don't get all the sweetheart deals. I'm not in the pet demographic like you are.

yeah the only way you could make the young people pay is by threatening to put them in jail for not doing it. Now The American dream is even further deferred. Congratulations this is another roadblock to homeownership. your generation won't be satisfied until you squander everything.

good it's meant to be rude. It's people like you that have caused the economic crisis that we just have to deal with now. it's the politicians that you support that screws everyone out of the American dream.

I'm just sorry I can't be rude enough to express my disdain.

and it also make sure that people who don't get the subsidy go bankrupt paying medical bills should they have to because they can't afford insurance.

You're a pillager.

no you don't want people to have affordable health Care. you've never had to pay these premiums so you don't know the first thing about what you're talkin about.

Most people in the working-class don't get your subsidies. so they have to pay not just full price for theirs but also for yours.

But f*** them right cuz you get yours and the whole rest of the world can just go f*** themselves.

yes it's meant to be as rude as it possibly can be.


If you don't like it stop reading my messages.

the more you try to convince me that this is affordable the more of a charlatan you make yourself out to be because you don't know you've never had to pay for it. I have to pay for yours and mine full price.

Not only do you not want people to have affordable health insurance but you want them to be robbed of the American dream we all know what that says about you but you're in denial, whatever it takes to justify your selfishness.

 

Yes I did. They used procedures instead of the law. They put it off for at least a year. Roberts will always find another excuse

 

Please back up your claim with credible sources, because that is not 'fact'. One of my bosses had cancer, and he is still insured. One of our employees had a stroke AND a heart attack at the same time, recovered, and was still insurable.

Perhaps you are one of those people who are clueless about what they need, but that doesn't mean other people are. I know what I need covered, and what I pay cash for, and I happen to have a chronic condition that will require meds for the rest of my life, and I am still insurable.

You seem to think people are oblivious to real life, and require the government to see to all aspects of their lives. Some people maybe, but they are not the majority.

 

I am sure they used some form of government health care, since normally person with pre-existing condition is locked out of individual insurance market.
Of course people find way around the issues but sometimes they have to go through the bankruptcy and use government resources at the end.
One way or another taxpayer pays but at the much higher cost.

"I know what I need covered plan" is a simple gambling that has nothing to do with health insurance.

 

weird i have had a pre- existing condition since i was 15 and never was locked out of the insurance market

 

I guess you get help from the government, or it is not critical for insurance companies to sell you health insurance.
Gambling with health care is not sustainable, don't you see the obvious that United States has worst situation with COVID-19 among ALL other countries.
That is exactly due to a system where almost everyone (consciously or unconcsiously) is afraid to get medical help.

 

BLM would actually make itself useful by helping abolish all trace of Obama from history.

Ya think?

 

i don’t get help from the govt i get it through private insurance

 

Results speak for themselves. Americans are fatter and sicker in spite of record spending on the product improperly named "health care" If we were only dealing with accidents and unexpected illness, we wouldn't be having this discussion. All the ACA did was shift the burden of masking symptoms to those who take care of themselves.

I eat an organic, mostly vegan diet and stay active. While I don't consume corn products, I am being forced to buy it for others. When years of Xbox, soda, and Ben & Jerrys starts becoming inconvenient, I am forced to pay to numb symptoms so that they continue their habits.

I have no issue helping my fellow Americans in need. What you propose is the exact opposite. I do realize your road is paved with good intentions.

 

Health Care spending has nothing to do with how people eat. How people eat has more to do with advertising, personality traits, character, etc.
The government succeeded in getting many people to quit smoking simply by banning cigarette ads then running campaigns stigmatizing smoking. Are you old enough to remember the ad in the 70s with Brooke Shields talking smack about cigarettes--the one where she put a cigarette in both ears to exemplify how stupid smoking is? See, they got celebrities to start talking about how bad cigarettes are, and America followed suit. Now, drugs are the problem because we are bombarded with drug ads and fast food ads, so fast foods to make us sick and drug ads to mask the symptoms of eating fast foods, see the connection?

Heath care spending is NOT the culprit. The solution is to BAN fast food advertising and Drug advertising ( putting prescription drug ads in medical journals and trade mags where they belong ) then to get celebrities on shows like Oprah extolling the virtues of healthy eating, THEN the needle might move on the national diet.

 

You do understand the a pre-existing condition is covered under continuous coverage, i.e. you leave one job, take COBRA until coverage kicks in a new employer. Pre existing could be excluded under old rules if there was no prior coverage, or a delay for coverage, which allowed for a build up of premiums to help offset known expenses involved in the condition.

A 'one time event', such as a heart attack could and can be covered if the prognosis from the event shows the likelihood of a repeat event is minimal.

Of course the person receiving the coverage should pay a higher premium if they gambled and lost on not ensuring they had some type of coverage in place. That is only logical, but I get the distinct impression you don't think they shouldn't have to, that other people should have to pay jacked premiums to cover their issues.

The pre-existing issue could have been addressed without 2000 of unread pages of legalese claptrap. While I feel PE should be required to be covered, I also feel it should be redefined, and monetarily address as I outlined above.

 

I see. You didn't read the decision.