Seattle Police retake CHOP/CHAZ area,23 arrests.

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course it does not, but the mantra of the left decrees that every emotion they feel, every act they do, no matter how despicable, is due to Trump, and therefor reasonable.
    It's more of a mental aberration, a shield protecting a person from having to be rational than anything remotely legitimate. Hate, driven to the point of obsession until the object of hate is seen as responsible for every imperfection they see or feel.
     
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    Probably from shady left wing media sources. REAL news FOX reported shootings from within AND from OUTSIDE the barrier.
     
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    CHOP: 4 shot, 2 killed

    SPD: minimum of violence

    That pretty much smashed the narrative that the police are the problem, and radical leftists have the solution, huh?
    That smashes the narrative that the Capitol Hill locals and businesses were sympathetic to the leftist mob, and not being held hostage by them, huh?

    What have we learned?

    Look at what you believed when this all started, and compare that to what you know now, and ask yourself "What have I learned?"

    Let's make this 'a learning experience'.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    The head voices.
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Fatback. From every report I read of the shootings that was the case. Why did you read something in the contrary???
     
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    Guess you did not read of the homicide? What have you been reading?
     
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    Pathetic.
     
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    It did end well. I still think it was a brave thing for city leaders to do and it was positive in the begining. It proved something ....we need the police. This might be obvious in most places :laughing: , but not with some in Seattle. The cops went back in and very effectively dismantled everything. That could have been a huge disaster.

    Whats most important now is the leaders follow through with the change that's so long overdue. People won't just forget the real reason behind this and allow things to move on.
     
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    What change? The whole defunding the police thing?

    Isn't the "defund the police" thing in conflict with the "we need police" thing?
     
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    No defund doesn't mean take everything away, it means reallocating funds into other resources. Colorado uses clinicians specializing in addiction/mental illness to respond to emergency but non violent calls. I cant remember what its called right now. People with mental illness have a much higher rate of being killed by cops. So far its working and it frees up police for the work only they are trained to do.
     
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    But it does mean take away funds. That's pretty much the definition of defund.
    Here in Indianapolis it was called MCAT (Mobile Crisis Assistance Team), and it wasn't a "social worker instead of cops" response situation, because that would be insanely dangerous for the social worker. It was a "social worker in addition to cops' response, and so it was MORE total money and funding(increases of over $1 million per district for full implementation) and it did the opposite of "free up" police, because it gave them the additional workload and responsibility of babysitting a social worker at potentially-violent scenes.

    The MCAT program cost a ton of additional(additional, not diverted) money, and EMS pulled out of it, because it was basically a mess.
     
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    CHAZ may be no more, but the Seattle's protest mobs keeps stacking up the bodies.

    Turns out, it's a bad idea to stand out in the middle of a highway in the dark of night wearing black Antifa costumes.

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    And just as OUTRAGE Inc. was getting ready to scream bloody murder, the air went out of them like a deflating balloon.

    Pfffffffffffffffffft

    The AP gave the Seattle driver's name as Dawit Kelete, whose LinkedIn shows he's got a limited working proficiency in Tigrinya, a language spoken in Eritrea.

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    Idk, So far they are able to remove cops from lower level 911 calls. The Denver program is called Star, Oregon also has a similar program. It's a tiny step toward dealing with this problem. Much better than ignoring it and going backward.
     
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    Defunding police would be a massive step backward.

    The program in Denver is a pilot program funded by a grant. It basically hasn't even started yet, and the entire program consists of one van, two paramedics, and one social worker.

    Let's keep our fingers crossed, but if(more like when) somebody gets bitten by a rabid junkie, that whole experiment could disappear in a puff of smoke.

    https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2020/06/09/star-program-launched-denver-police-protests/
     
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    I don't understand how this Denver STAR thing is going to work. I mean, I get the "alternatives to cops" intent of it. but it strikes me as a liability nightmare to have a team of dogooders being dispatched by the police, but then operating independently of any sort of police authority, accountability or jurisdiction.

    https://www.5280.com/2020/06/the-star-van-offers-an-alternative-to-police/

    Imagine if somebody calls the police for an overdose situation, or some kind of "agitated homeless person" scenario, and then the friendly social worker van shows up, and then all hell breaks loose, and bodies start hitting the floor.

    Wouldn't the lawsuits going flying after that?

    I mean, I called 911, and the unarmed ice cream man showed up. Where the Hell were the police?
     
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