Mom Was Right

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  1. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    He threatened the cop when he fired the taser at him. And how were the cops suppose to arrest him at his sister's house? By then he could have had a gun to shoot at the cops. You're not thinking through your suggestions. Give the cop a medal and let it be a lesson because our law says you must obey a LEO.
     
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    My mom taught me that men should be tried by a jury of their peers, not street justice.
    They had the man's car, they had the man's ID the taser had been discarded at that point there was no need to shoot him if there had been one at all.
    Only inept police work can turn a sobriety investigation into a death. Only inept Police work can lead to a young American woman being shot while in her bed in the wee hours. Only inept police work can lead to the death of a young man who had done nothing being stopped and put down and choked because he was wearing a ski mask, only inept police work led to the death of a man who was choked even after he had been subdued. Well you get my drift, this is not a thing that has happened only once.
    Some people would rather argue each case one at a time than see a trend that needs to be examined by everyone.
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    I think if you bothered to check the facts you would see thousands and thousands of stops and arrests go very peacefully. The only trend I see is the MSM has suddenly started bombarding us over and over with a small percentage of certain stops. It's not a perfect world and people can make mistakes, both criminals and police. We judge people by a jury but the MSM will bombard us with news and videos when they are pushing a certain agenda. Never let the MSM think for you.
     
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    A towing company? Uh, no. They aren't authorized to do that with the driver asleep in the front seat. And they aren't going to.

    That's what cops are for.
     
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    Right. And even the killings by police of unarmed people are very rare.
     
  6. Sirius Black

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    So nobody wants to see if there is something that can be done. The fact that only "a few" are killed makes everything OK. I am not blaming most police, but I think most people should be willing to see if things can be improved on both sides of the issue.
     
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    Yeah, absolutely. It's right there in the DWI manual: "If the driver fails to pass field sobriety tests, do NOT arrest him. Let him walk home to his sister's house and meet him there. Take his word for it that it's right nearby. When you meet him, arrest him unless his sister protests, which she won't because she was raised right like he was and, deep down, she backs the blue."
     
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    People are supposed to pay for mistakes they make, particularly when those mistakes cost lives and it is their sworn duty to protect all citizens rather than kill and terrorize some. You seem to be slavishly following the agenda of the far right conservatives here who are pushing the idea that police need to be above the law in order to enforce it. That is a very dangerous idea, antithetical to all the precepts of a free nation.

    Never forget that anyone you allow to take the legitimate rights of another today can just as easily take yours tomorrow.
     
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    The cops have been arrested and charged with murder. Every cop in America is now walking on eggshells.

    A very insignificant number of existing cops are looking for the opportunity to be charged with murder.

    Things will improve when the citizenry starts respecting the law.
     
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    Yeah, those Minneapolis cops should be arrested and charged with homicide or something.
     
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    There are no "two sides". There are bad cops. You screen applicants as carefully as possible and get rid of them when they prove to be bad.

    Next time you're in trouble, call a hippie.
     
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    OK, lets look at both sides. I'm sure you have to pass a psychological test before going to a police academy. I had to pass one to get into the Navy. The police go through a lot of training. They are starting to carry dash cams and body cams. They have internal investigation departments and take complaints from citizens. The MSM is always investigating them. The public is watching them. The public is video taping them. So now what do we tell the other side? Well teach your kids that when they are stopped by a LEO to obey them to the letter. Just that simple.
     
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    The cops should have walked with him and then arrested him at his sisters, where other cops should have been waiting. It's highly unusual but they had already let the situation get badly out of hand

    And this whole thing is silly. According to just about any police protocol I am familiar with that sort of situation requires SIX cops at a minimum. Two to do the actual arrest, two to witness and make sure everything is kosher and two to get donuts:p

    Seriously, the whole way police deal with 'difficult ' people is with overwhelming force. Their patrols are cunningly designed so that the maximum number of men can be concentrated anywhere in the shortest amount of time. If a person is blind drunk he may indeed try to face down two armed men. But It is one thing to face down two armed men and quite another to do that with six. I know this from both study and personal experience.

    The guys suggestion was a desperate ploy by a drunken man who knew he was going back to jail. He should have been in handcuffs the minute he got out of the car but the cops handled the situation terribly wrong from the get go and then shot the poor bastard when he thought he might get away.
     
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    Check the national numbers of the stops and arrest and see how many go bad and why. You see part of a video, over and over, and you say cops are killing and terrorizing citizens. I have been stopped many times, for reckless driving, once when I was just walking and a cop asked for ID and address, but I was never terrorized or shot and I know why and so do you and anyone else with half a brain.
     
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    Remember this all started by driving drunk.
     
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    I am not going to convince you and I am not looking for a response, but I want to provide some food for thought:

    MORE THAN 1,000 UNARMED people died as a result of police harm between 2013 and 2019, according to data from Mapping Police Violence. About a third of them were black.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/article...nce-disproportionately-affect-people-of-color


    In the United States more people are killed by police in a year (2019) than any other wealthy democracy:

    US 1099

    Canada 36

    Australia 21

    Germany 11

    France 10

    Netherlands 4

    England 3

    Japan 2

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

    Once again some people would rather talk about individual incidents than look at a pattern.
     
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    The act of applying handcuffs is an arrest. The police can undo the handcuffs if that is the right thing to do but while handcuffed one is under arrest.
     
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    So??

    Everybody's been stopped and just about all the stops go quite well. I surely hope so, as having even a vanishingly small amount go wrong would result in our being unable to go or do anything without being in mortal terror. That is not the point.

    The point is that just recently we have SEEN what appears to be three people murdered and NOBODY was doing anything about it. That is intolerable in a free nation and I don't see anyway in which reasonable people could do anything other than what has been done. If you live in some sort of oppressive autocracy your attitude is understandable. If you live in the USA it is not, and is in fact very unpatriotic given the precepts this country was founded on and is supposed to adhere to.
     
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    I'm not sure of that. I thought any arrest required the Miranda warning or it is not valid, but you're right, police can and sometimes do apply handcuffs and then take them off but that is without placing the person under arrest.

    Were what you say about handcuffs true then any time that happened it would subject the policeman to a false-arrest suit, would it not?
     
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    Watch the video again. The officer didn't pull the lethal pistol out until the taser had been fired and the man turned and ran more. That's how the 2 shots are in the back.
     
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    And the cops would let him walk to his girlfriend house had he been white.
     
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    He fired the taser at him. That clearly meant he intended to do harm to the officer. It is unknown to me whether the taser had another shot available. Someone said it was a two shot taser. I have not been able to determine whether it was or not. At any rate he was running off with a dangerous weapon which put other people at risk. The officer said he was not sure whether he fired the taser or not. He saw a flash, but was not sure whether it was the taser.

    Also, there is a matter of timing. All of this happened with a second or two which does not give the officer sufficient time to decide whether to shoot or not shoot.

    You are looking at it after hours or days of study. The officer does not have hours or days to study the situation.
     
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    Watch the video. Officer hadn't drawn his weapon yet. You claimed the officer shot while being fired upon. That is false.
     
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    And you are looking at it in hindsight. They had just came out of a struggle on the ground and he was aimed and fired a taser at him which might have had another shot. Are you saying the officer should have waited for him to turn around for a second shot? Turn around time is less than the reaction time to pull a weapon from his holster and fire.

    No matter how you frame it, Brooks had multiple opportunities to stop the whole process and he chose none of them. Now you want to blame the officer who worked with him for forty five minutes.
     
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    MORE THAN 1,000 UNARMED people died as a result of police harm between 2013 and 2019, according to data from Mapping Police Violence. About a third of them were black.
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    So where is the rest of that 1,000 killing story? Did you know Americans killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese back in the early 40's? Many were unarmed. But there is also a lot more to that story. When the police use force and the perp dies who cares what the perp's skin looked like. If you look at violence as physical force sure the police have to use it at times.
     

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