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  1. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Yes indeed many of us have learned about this - but not from the Democrats !
    I wonder why ... ? :confusion:
     
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    FoxHastings said:

    "Those people" have tried peaceful methods for a century....some worked but here, now , in the 21st century there are STILL people who call them "those people".

    There are still people who kill them because they can.

    There are still people who lump them altogether as "those people".

    There are still people who denigrate them no matter what they do.

    There are those who sit at their computer and pontificate and actually presume to know the situation even if they have never lived it.

    If one doesn't get killed from a traffic stop , if one has free choice of housing, if one has equal job opportunities, then one probably doesn't give a rat's patoot if the "respect" is real or not...

    Did you think all blacks are yearning for whitey's "respect" ?????

    No, just being treated equally and fairly under the law.



    spiritgide said:
    Having money that is not earned may support people intermittently, but it does nothing to give them independence- just the opposite; it enables dependence and helps them avoid the challenge. For a person to know they are independent- they must be able to make it on their own, not need someone to prop them up. Only then will they know that they are free, that they are whole and in charge of their own destiny. Money earned has value you appreciate- and you treat it wisely. Money given to you has none. It will buy things, but it will never make you proud or strong. It's not at all the same.""""""



    Spoken like someone who was never born into poverty nor ever been poor....

    Not everyone is as perfect.....there are humans, humans, who weren't born perfect, who just can't work hard enough, be healthy enough , have enough opportunities as others....did you want them just thrown in a ditch ?

    Giving money to a family ravaged by job loss and/or illness, to feed their children is a bad thing ???? Really?


    Spoken like one who was never black.
    Spoken like one who didn't read my post nor address inconvenient comments in it.
    Spoken like one who thinks personal anecdotes related on the internet are true .
    Spoken like one who thinks the world is him.

    Spoken like one who denies the history of blacks in America
     
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    On the money. The one lesson I've always told people is that if some one tells you you can't do something, the first question you should ask yourself us why they don't want you to do it. Peer pressure generally produces the crab pot effect. It why the Bible says bad company drives out good morals. I far rather be hated for doing what is right than loved for doing what is wrong.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    :) Who should ban them ? The Boy Scouts?

    If they're banned it would be the GOVERNMENT that bans them.....government interference that you are so against ;)


    No, I didn't forget because the government did not make it legal.....the government upheld women's rights.


    Face it, you are FINE with government interference if it's something that won't affect you.

    :) Again, if you don't want government interference then don't interfere with other's rights.

    You can't have it both ways :) … You can't ban abortion without government interference ….

    AGAIN (and again and again) WHO do you think will "ban" it? You? :roflol::roflol:



    If they're banned it would be the GOVERNMENT that bans them.....government interference that you are so against ;)


    It isn't murder.

    Some call it murder but they NEVER do their patriotic civic duty and call the police.


    Abortion does not cause child abuse or neglect.

    Having kids one doesn't want, does.


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    Why are you calling ZEFs worthless?

    Abortions been around for thousands of years and if you want to blame all the ills of the world on women, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

    Pretty hilarious that you think abortion makes people slaughter each other in war..



    Are you ever going to address my posts and admit that banning abortion IS government interference...???? :)
     
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    I appreciate your kind words, as you might imagine, many don't see what you see and think my words are criticism rather than encouragement- because I'm usually pointing to a direction they don't want to go.
    Teachers especially are exposed to these conflicts in people, and usually realize that kids from a poorly structured environment are at a disadvantage, especially in their perception of their own potential.

    I believe it's too easy to think we can go back and change or erase the past, and I believe trying to do complicates the answers; it can keep us from moving forward for a very long time. Regardless of the hand we are dealt, we have to start from where we are- dismiss the past, quit dwelling on it, and focus on the future, because that is the only thing we have the power to change. Then, anything is possible. The fact we start at different points along the road is not as important as the direction we chose to go, and change starts with a single step in the right direction. I know that a really hungry, open-minded student in the thing teachers live for. I would wish you many.
     
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    No they are yearning for whitey's success. That is something that is EARNED not given. Many blacks have achieved whitey's success. For those who have I not, all I can say is do better. This is the same advice I give my children.
     
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    Spoken like one who was never black.
    Spoken like one who didn't read my post nor address inconvenient comments in it.
    Spoken like one who thinks personal anecdotes related on the internet are true .
    Spoken like one who thinks the world is him.

    Spoken like one who denies the history of blacks in America
     
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    Can't count the number of times I've been told something couldn't be done, and I've been able to say- "Gee, you should have told me before, because I've already done it."
    We impose vast limits on ourselves when we let others tell us what we are capable of.

    If I may offer an answer- if they can't do it, your doing it establishes a benchmark they believe they can't meet; one they don't want to be measured by. Has much more to do with them than with you.
     
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    Abortion is child abuse. If you can justify killing them in the womb you can justify killing them out of it. It's that damn simple.
     
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    Exactly so. I have, not to get all political or anything seldom met a leftist who was the least be interested in self examination. It's so much easier to bay at the moon. One should note that 80 to 90% of the black lives matter mob is Caucasian. That isn't an accident.
     
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    Nope, there is no child in abortion but if you want to ignore the plight of actual born children who are abused that is certainly your right.


    No, you cannot justify killing born people because women have the basic human right of bodily autonomy.


    Are you ever going to address my posts and admit that banning abortion IS government interference...???? :)
     
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    So is murder, rape, robbery, arson and a host of other things. The problem problem the Clinton hypothesis, "We want abortion to be safe legal and rare" is that as long as it is legal it will never be rare.
     
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    It was never rare, illegal or not......abortion has been around for thousands of years....banning it doesn't make it go away, it just makes it more unsafe for women...something righties seem to want.

    BTW, "safe , legal, and rare" is not owned by the Clintons.

    It means making health care and birth control more accessible and affordable for poor women that will lessen the number of abortions..

    Banning abortion is the destruction of a basic human right for women, the right to bodily autonomy...that's why abortion is legal and should be..
     
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    Murder is not a basic human right.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    It was never rare, illegal or not......abortion has been around for thousands of years....banning it doesn't make it go away, it just makes it more unsafe for women...something righties seem to want.

    BTW, "safe , legal, and rare" is not owned by the Clintons.

    It means making health care and birth control more accessible and affordable for poor women that will lessen the number of abortions..

    Banning abortion is the destruction of a basic human right for women, the right to bodily autonomy...that's why abortion is legal and should be..



    :) Great evasion....no one ever said murder was a basic human right.

    If there is "murder" going on WHY haven't you done your patriotic civic duty and reported it to the police ??

    (and why don't those who think it's murder EVER answer that question ;) )


    BTW, repeating over and over " abortion is murder" does NOT make it murder.

    Repeating it doesn't make a point or prove an argument.

    Repeating it with NO PROOF is rather silly..


    Bodily autonomy IS a basic human right, one which I doubt YOU would want taken away from YOU...
     
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    To the people protesting, that appears to mean you shouldn't arrested me because I'm black. And if you make me mad, I will throw a tantrum and go burn down somebody's house to get even.
    If you criticize me for my view, I'll come after you.

    Fairly? Hardly. You can't seem to get things straight, so why bother- lost cause trying to help.
    If you understood the concepts of civility, maturity and responsibility - no explanation would be necessary.
    Because you are so far from understanding, no explanation is possible.
     
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    FoxHastings said:

    "Those people" have tried peaceful methods for a century....some worked but here, now , in the 21st century there are STILL people who call them "those people".

    There are still people who kill them because they can.

    There are still people who lump them altogether as "those people".

    There are still people who denigrate them no matter what they do.

    There are those who sit at their computer and pontificate and actually presume to know the situation even if they have never lived it.

    If one doesn't get killed from a traffic stop , if one has free choice of housing, if one has equal job opportunities, then one probably doesn't give a rat's patoot if the "respect" is real or not...

    Did you think all blacks are yearning for whitey's "respect" ?????

    No, just being treated equally and fairly under the law.





    You can't seem to get things straight, so why bother- lost cause trying to help.
    If you understood the concepts of civility, maturity and responsibility, history, empathy, complicated issues, and anything that didn't happen to you... - no explanation would be necessary.
    Because you are so far from understanding, no explanation is possible.
     
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    So, if true, is it better to commit "child abuse" before a life has any chance at survival (in the fetus stage) or when that fetus is born and subjected to a life of abuse and neglect they can remember and will hurt haunt them until the day they die?

    To even begin to suggest that abortion is akin to child abuse, one must ask themselves a difficult question. Are you willing to stand up for that child when their parent chooses to abuse and/or neglect them, when they are sold to the highest bidder for child sexual exploitation, when they are hungry and scared and alone because their parent(s) simply don't have the capacity to care for them? If you are not willing to do those things, why is it reasonable for you to stand on the sidelines and tell anybody what they should do with their own bodies, unborn fetuses or anything else? How would you feel about someone interjecting themselves into your personal life and telling you how horrible of a person you are for the decisions you deem important in your own life? It's nobody else's business!

    Personal experience - I met a man who had put himself through college to become a licensed therapist in his state. He was the product of a broken home in which his mother was a prostitute. Someone reported her because she was taking her child (who was NEVER exposed to her customers and never abused, himself) and he was taken from the only family he ever knew. He was repeatedly raped throughout his time in various foster homes and group living. He was repeatedly verbally, physically and mentally abused within those environments. That NEVER happened when he was with his mother and she was doing what she had to do to provide for her only child. I am not advocating prostitution. I am merely pointing out that unless you've been on the other side of that equation, you have NO idea what these families face in a system that DOES NOT WORK. No children are being protected. No children face a "better" life. No children fare well in relationships. In fact, it has been documented that these children are on the only path they can be in such dire circumstances - chemically dependent and criminal behavior. My friend was the exception, NOT the rule.​

    As a survivor of child abuse, I have lost count the number of times I was told that I should have been aborted. As a child abuse advocate, I have lost count the number of times a parent has turned a blind eye to what is blatantly obvious (and, therefore, unable to protect and reassure their child in the most heinous of crimes). Any action/inaction taken by a legal adult who is NOT breaking the law is nobody's business but their own. Shaming and blaming women for doing what they think is best, whatever their circumstances are, is, AT BEST, nothing but self-righteousness and gross tyranny. NOBODY has the right to judge someone else by their "standard" of what is right or wrong.

    Maybe it would help to take some time to volunteer in a child abuse survivors program or a women's clinic or an abortion center. You will find real, living, breathing human beings that are more than just statistics. You will find as many different stories as there are clients. You will find that nobody makes the decision to abort their pregnancy easily or haphazardly. These are real people with real struggles and the last thing they need is somebody attempting to play god during the most vulnerable and difficult time of their lives.

    And, if somehow you can equate that to taking the life of a child (or adult), you are clearly on the wrong side of justice. Let God/god do whatever he or she sees fit in such circumstances. S/he does not need a spokesperson, especially not one that spreads hatred and passes judgment on His/his other "children".
     
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    So many words to create a false dichotomy. It is not an either child abuse is bad where ever it occurs. And straight up neglect can be as deadly. That doesn't come within a mile of justifying abortion.
     
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    Suggesting that killing a living, breathing human being is akin to abortion is ludicrous.

    Beyond that, it's nobody's business except the person/people involved in the pregnancy.
     
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    That doesn't HAVE to justify abortion.

    The right to bodily autonomy justifies the right to abortion...:)
     
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    But it is a living breathing human being.
     
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    No, it's not, it can't breath on it's own and it hasn't been born so it is not a legal person with rights...
     
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    logical1 said:
    How many know that Planned Parenthood places 70% of the "clinics" in black neighborhoods. Also do you know that PP kills over 350,000 black babies every year?

    PP is just an extension of the KKK. They have managed to kill far more blacks than the KKK ever dreamed of.



    The Democrats don't lie about it...

    "Babies" aren't killed in abortion.

    Planned parenthood is not an extension of the KKK.

    The KKK dreams of killing all non-whites.


    Did you need Democrats to give you statistics? Why? You wouldn't believe THEM anyway....

    Can't you look up the stats yourself ???
     
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    Nonsense.
     

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