So Texas is going in the Toilet

Yes, a combination of bars, protests and 20-35 year olds caused the current results.

 

Please provide your NONPARTiSAN credible evidence to support your allegation.

 

~ And they give Andy Cuomo his own TV show . Go figure ... ´

 

Guess which curve is NY and which is Texas.

 

The evidence shows that gathering in crowds and not social-distancing spreads the virus. The larger the crowd, the higher the risk. The protests and the bars presented an opportunity to gather in crowds. The protests hosted larger crowds and provided less opportunity to social distance than did any individual bar. The combination of young people drinking and protesting, beginning Memorial Day, has resulted in an explosion of cases in 20-35 year olds. If you find that reasoning "incredible", then you're a partisan.

 

Where did the initial seeds for most of the U.S. cases originate?

 

Which is why Texas could potentially be head for a shut down.

 

As well as opening restaurants to 75% capacity as well as people not wearing masks. It’s not just young folks in bars and protesting. If protesting was a reason then how is it that MA is avg 250 ish cases per day where TX is seeing 4 to 5 thousand cases per day? There were thousands in Boston who were involved in many different protests over many different days. Yet nowhere near the cases you guys are seeing. So you can stop blaming it on the young kids in bars and protesting. It was because TX was arrogant and thought they knew better and opened up too early too fast.

 

In other words all you have is your own UNSUPPORTED OPINION!

Got it!

Have a nice day!

 

Mama said something is better than nothing, even if it ain't a much.

I wear one because it is a physical barrier (although permeable) that separates me from them. It's very discriminatory and in vogue.

 

As long as the death count isn't going up too much the greater number of infections is a good thing because it leads to herd immunity. Until this is cured or an effective vaccine comes out everyone is going to be exposed eventually. As long as we can respond to and treat the number of cases occuring we need to stay open. People are dying for other reasons also.

 

There is an intersection between that age group, bar and protest attendance. Deny it all you wish.

As far a northeast states not seeing a spike from protesters, there is an explanation.

The lockdown enacted in March worked. By the end of May, when the protests began, the virus was not as prevalent in New York as it had been when the lockdown began.

“It seems we in New York City did achieve a substantial decrease in the number of cases so that made the odds of encountering a case of Covid-19 in these protests quite low,” said Wafaa El-Sadr, an epidemiology professor at Columbia University.

Kitaw Demissie, an epidemiologist and dean of SUNY Downstate School of Public Health in Brooklyn, said it was possible that in areas with accelerating outbreaks — such as some southern and western states — the mass demonstrations could well play a role in the spread of the virus."

Indoor versus outdoor?

“This doesn’t say that being in a crowd is not risky,” said Howard Markel, a physician and historian of medicine at the University of Michigan who has written on past epidemics. He said that protesters in New York may have just been “incredibly lucky.”

He noted that outdoor crowds can accelerate the spread of respiratory viruses — most notoriously during a war bond parade in Philadelphia during the 1918 influenza pandemic."

Give it another week or two...

"We could still see a wave of infections tied to the protests.
Some scientists say it’s still too early to tell how much transmission occurred at the demonstrations in New York. One reason is that many protesters were young adults — a demographic in whom severe cases and hospitalizations are less common. As a result, a rise in cases that started within this demographic might remain undetected by public health officials for longer.

“We don’t know the impact. We’ll see that in the next two weeks,” Florian Krammer, a virologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, said in an interview last week.

Moreover, city officials have instructed contact tracers not to ask new Covid-19 patients if they attended protests, according to a report in The City, a nonprofit news organization."


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

 

Europe. Does it matter when your cases are going through the roof? When you are at 100% ICU bed capacity already and the hospitalizations are lagging?

 

Would you recommend that people, with masks of course, pile into the streets for several hours, tens of thousands in number, during a pandemic?

It is a great day! I hope you have a nice day, too. Happy Independence Day!

 

No, it doesn't matter so much to me. I am simply defending against attacks that the spike in Texas cases is Governor Abbott's fault. That blame-game has become some peoples' only talking point. I am simply talking back with counterpoints.

Suggesting that no one is to blame for an infectious pandemic, or surmising that every leader is doing the best they can, would be too easy, wouldn't it?

Just keeping the conversation going.

 

Your graphs don’t show what you think they show. LOL

 

Always wanted to ask this since I see it now and again.

How can a poster be "banned" and post at the same time?

 

Lucky for New York they didn't have any protests... Wait..

 

So grocery and big box stores, offices, construction sites, hair salons, small family gatherings they haven't contributed?

I think its safe to assume that any and all activity that doesnt include locking your doors, staying home, pantry dining plays a part.

 

To end my part for today. NY has only 1% of it's tests coming back positive and it has the most aggressive testing regime in the country. Texas has 14.5% of it's tests coming back positive, it's not the number of tests that's the problem.
You already have major hospitals at the ICU capacity and best case without major changes you may reach all beds occupied by August. New York's worst case scenario for deaths is a 1000 more if all restrictions lifted by August. Texas' best case is 13000 more by then and as much as 28000.
You got problems. New York showed the way to end a major outbreak, you should pay attention quickly.

 

If Texas isn't careful, it could reach 1/10th the number of deaths they have in New York.

 

Okay. 25,000 deaths in a state with a population of 19 million is "showing the way". LOL

Texas has 29 million people. (We also provide healthcare for millions of undocumented migrants, not included in our population count.) In order to follow New York's fine leadership, Texas would have to see 38,000 Covid deaths to rise to the excellence of New York's "leadership".

 

New York has over 32k deaths. Texas is just under 2600.

 

Do you see anyone wearing masks and social distancing?



Can you spot the DIFFERENCE?

 

NY is at 25k deaths. Still, the difference between NY and Texas is startling.