Coronavirus: Florida and Texas reverse reopening as US cases pass 2.5m

To be a mirror

 

The goal has ALWAYS been to prevent the spread

 

You're not in America, here. This is the internet.

 

When WASN'T it the goal?

Other than calling it that because surrender was easier.

 

they did not follow Trump's reopening guidelines and look what happened

to be fair to these Republican States, Trump did send out a lot of contradictory guidelines for the States

which President do you listen too? The official Trump guidelines, Twitter Trump or verbal Trump

 

We were discussing America, but no big deal. The poster was inferring that flu shots were rare and all I did was clear the air, they are not.

No reason to argue, I believe the data is spot on, actually I would have guessed half that figure, I was surprised it was that high.

I've probably had the flu 4 times in my life but for me the experience is usually being tired with a cough or sniffles for 1-2 days then I feel quite normal. I've only been tested once but it was a coincidence that I was getting a physical so I asked about it.

 

The way it was explained to me early on (media) was that halting the spread was virtually impossible we were just slowing the spread so as to not overwhelm the medical system.

 

It's not impossible. New Zealand did it. Taiwan did it. Vietnam is close, as is Thailand.

 

Yes and that is still a praiseworthy goal but basically the slower the spread the better the healthcare system can cope with it.

I know we have a smaller population but aggressive early containment here meant that we had fewer tests to do fewer contact tracing issues and less impact on the healthcare system ergo a better rate of recovery

 

"As it was explained to me early on" being critical context in my statement.

 

FL Gov Desantis is 100% responsible for Florida's massive surge. The daily count is over 10,000 - I know, I know, if you look at the FLDOH numbers they're not saying that but it is. If you've been following along you know Gov DeSantis has been caught 6+ times now manipulating FL's numbers and eroding the systems that are responsible for the counting/reporting.

 

Sorry but this is crap!
Yes it came from China ... and we both can happily discuss why it came from China and to what extent China is responsible for the outbreak in China itself, for example through laughable hygiene regulations. BUT ... China was playing with open cards all the time back then and unlike the previous cases of epidemics from China it wasn't blocking! The scale in China with total lockdown and the quarantine of a huge city and region were headlines in all media.
I do not know whether the official reported numbers of victims and the number of infected people from China are correct or not ... but that is completely irrelevant and does not matter. China had neither hushed up nor concealed the outbreak and the intensity, and had allowed free reporting from Wuhan to the extent permitted, and had not shown foreign media representatives, etc.

So there was no ignorance and these idiotic accusations and lies by Trump against China are just as disgusting as the virus itself. Trump has just made China and the WHO the scapegoat for his own total failure. THAT'S FACT !!!

Or since when has China been responsible for the fact that despite Trump's "door to" order, tens of thousands of Americans and holders of a green card were allowed to return from China and were tested for the virus by nobody and nobody when entering the USA or for security in 14 days in quarantine, eh?
China is here vor China responsible, but how all other countries handle the issue is their own issue and not one of China!

Hinestly ... forever this parroting of the mental BS and lies from this idiot in the White House without using the own brain by Trumponians ... is getting annoying!

If you Trumponains want to have a culprit for Corona in your country, then finally start to tar and feather your idol for it ... then you've got the right one!

 

2 States (with GOP Governors) that bought into Trump's IDIOCY.

Now both states are facing exponential outbreaks.

What is it with these GOP Governors not caring about Public Health?

Is that what they "learned" from Trump?

 

Is there significant difference between these "President Trump types"?

 

Normal capacity 70%. Capacity now 97%. 27% due to Covid. What part of the sudden capacity problem don't I understand.

 

70-80 per the report... They actually list the % which is Covid cases on a daily basis you can review the link at your leisure.

 

With the number of intensive-care patients now exceeding capacity, Texas Medical Center hospitals have begun implementing COVID-19 surge plans that leaders thought might not be necessary after numbers fell far short of projections in April and May.

The hospitals this week began opening additional beds — both intensive care and regular floor beds, some new, some converted — to accommodate a surge in COVID-19 patients that has grown exponentially in the past two weeks. The actions followed the hospitals’ collective ICU bed volume topping 100 percent capacity Wednesday.

“It’s actually possible that we could become the next New York City,” said Roberta Schwartz, president of Houston Methodist Hospital. “I can’t believe we’re now staring down the barrel of that gun.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...-into-Phase-2-surge-plans-as-ICU-15380224.php

 

Nonsense.

The goal was to flatten the curve. Meaning, people will get sick, but we don't want them sick all at once and overwhelm the medical system.

The goal was never to stop the spread. Thats new.

 

The goal was to flatten the curve. Meaning, people will get sick, but we don't want them sick all at once and overwhelm the medical system.

The goal was never to stop the spread. Thats new.

 

All these months later, do you think the goal has been reached? It seems to me the stuff is everywhere, and I think I saw that it's back Down Under.

Plandemic in this country. Not sure about your country.

 

as is quibbling over wording

 

No it isn't new. It's been the goal in many nations since April.

 

It's not back, in Australia. It's only one State, and that State is now effectively shut off from the rest of the country. Also, they're going VERY hard within that state. People are literally locked up in their apartment blocks and suburbs .. with police and military enforcing strict adherence. Testing is now compulsory, etc etc.

FTR, it's the same State which not only allowed, but supported, BLM protests right about the time this new outbreak started. The work they're doing to avoid talking about that is phenomenal. Blaming migrants, rustics, African families .. etc etc. Anything to avoid taking responsibility for such an irresponsible act. Anything to avoid blaming their white middle class hipster power base. Whether those protests directly contributed to the outbreak is unknown due to Govt silence (though we know there were at least a few cases), but even if they didn't .. the message was loud and clear "it's safe to gather in huge crowds and behave as though there's no pandemic".

 

It is unusual to read a post where virtually everfy claim is false. Well done.

For those interested in the facts:

Yes, it is just one state and yes, we are in lockdown in certain areas. And yes, there are 10 apartment blocks that have been completely locked down. Pretty much everything else in that post is some shade of wrong. hard to know if that is deliberat or just the way some people process information.

*No one is 'locked up' in their suburbs. People are allowed to move for the same reasons they were when we were in stage 3 a month ago - work, care giving, exercise, food shopping, medical treatment. The police are enforcig those rules in some places.

*The only compulsory testing is for returning overseas travellers in quarantine. Everyone else is free to refuse & many have.

*The state government was clearly opposed to the BLM protests taking place but decided not to stop them - the exact same course of action when people protest against lockdown at the height of the pandemic. The Premier told people not to go & said the protests should not be held.

*The Chief Health Officer - a non-partisan official - was directly asked about the possible role of BLM protests in spreading the virus or encouraging people to behave differently. He was very clear that not only was there no evidence that the protests had spread the disease, but that peopl's behaviour was already changind before the protests & that they had no impact on those changes. Can't be any more emphatic than that.

*Anyone who knows the fisr thing about local politics here knows that the BLM crowds aren't part of the government's 'base'. Those people vote Green, a party dedicated to taking seats from the government.

You really have to wonder how somenoe could be so wrong abuot so much.

 

Not really.

Flattening the curve accepts that people will be infected and the virus will take its course.

That is a very different thing than the new goal of freaking out when the virus starts to spread, as if the goal was to prevent me infections.

Very different things.