Sorry, but I cried wolf on climate change

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In other words, you can't show where I am wrong, so you just resort to theatrics which have nothing to do with the issue.
     
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    Because they are also examples of peer-reviewed publication being politically controlled.
    It is the political control of peer-reviewed publication that is attacking the scientific method. Watch and learn:


    No, most publish in very narrow fields.
    Right. But they know they answer to a PUBLISHER, which is almost always controlled by one of a few large academic publishing corporations. They tell the editor what he can publish and what he can't.
    No, their job.
    It is to keep their jobs that they toe the line of political correctness specified by the publisher.
    He has no interest in whether it makes money, because the publisher knows it is going to lose money in any case. Publishing a peer-reviewed journal is self-evidently not about making money. It is about controlling the narrative.
    Many such have occurred. "Sorry, but this paper does not meet our needs at this time." Finished.
    Keep looking out your window for the constantly renewed proof that it is.
     
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    No. I'm telling you I'm not going to look because I know that there is absolutely nothing there. You're the one getting all dramatic, not me.
     
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    See Naomi Klein's "This Changes Everything." Her thesis is that because it is capitalism that threatens to boil us alive through fossil fuel emissions, it is capitalism that has to go. The underlying political agenda of anti-CO2 hysteria has been made explicit many times.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have failed to show what is wrong with what I said. Believe me, no competent scientist would try to verify what the majority of scientists believe by trying to interpret published papers on the subject. They would actually ask a large sample of the scientists.
     
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    Gibberish. Bye.
     
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    You obviously cannot prove me wrong. I will summarize:

    Using an indirect method like choosing studies would not be random. If it is not random, non-representative results are all but guaranteed.

    It requires someone to determine what a person believes based strictly on a study. It throws a second opinion into the mix. Both the reader and writer.

    Rather than going all around Robins barn, why not just ask the question? A lot simpler and a lot more accurate.
     
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    Peer-reviewed publications are those that produce real science. Any that doesn't produce that is not taken seriously.

    As predicted, you go ahead and attack the scientific method itself. Studies either have methodological errors, or they don't. If a peer-reviewer argues some methodological error to reject a study, they have to show it. You seem to think that peer-reviewers are like "judges". And all they do is basically make sure the methodology is sound.

    Science denialists have nothing new to show.

    A publication like "The Lancet" specializes on health matters, but they would not publish an analysis about effects of AGW if there were any question about the actual effects of AGW on the environment. Their areas are not "very narrow".

    As conspiracy theories go, yours is pretty lousy. "almost always" "most".... that means than there are some that do not particpate in the conspiracy. You only need ONE. And there are none!

    Do you see how many "leakers" there are in the Trump administraton? A conspiracy of the complexity that you are promoting would require ALL peer-reviewed publications, all corporations, all academia, all national academies of science, .... to have such discipline, that no leakers would ever be able to produce any evidence. The first of which would be the editors themselves.

    Please quote an editor of a prestigious Peer-reviewed publication stating that they were prevented from publishing a scientifically sound study.

    Anyway.. your world-wide Conspiracy Theory is noted, and you have made clear your shortcomings in the area of scientific activity for everybody to see

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    But you indicated that the reviewer does not check for accuracy or some such thing.
     
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    So you sent a post to say "I don't know what you said, but you said something I didn't understand..."?
     
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    As I remember your definition of peer review, they do not review for accuracy. You said something to the effect that was a "no no".
     
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    So tell me what you think of global warming and prove me wrong LOL how many tens of thousands of people died because the orange clown would not wear masks..... Oops nevermind you're right I'm wrong happy 4th.
     
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    In the totally misinformed GOP.....
     
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    Every other modern country not dominated by the scumbag give away to the rich screw everyone else GOP can handle it. AOC wants to be like Canada it's really scary LOL or Australia or New Zealand or England or France or Italy or Scandinavia. Absolute idiocy.
     
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    Yes you are right. She's an idiot and so are her followers.
     
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    How so, misinformed one? Because communism right LOL OMG poor America. Why are we the only modern country, and we are the richest in the world, that doesn't have a living wage or health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure Grand vacations and mainly taxing the rich. You are totally misinformed. Poor America
     
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    You must know. What is it?
     
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    Respected journalists do. And they do not work for fox or Rupert Murdoch. None of them agree with you ditto law enforcement.
     
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    So how many scientists are there?
     
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    Google it and stop wasting my time for crying out loud. I'm not your mother
     
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    You don't know, do you.:banana:
     
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    Apparently the actual number of scientists is a big secret.
     
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    No. They did not ask scientists what they believed.
     
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    Respected by you....?
     

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