Iran Nuclear Facility Explosion: Accident, Sabotage, Or Cyber-Attack?

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    This was no accident. That is clear. The best evidence so far suggests it was a combination of sabotage (a bomb placed in the facility) and cyber-attack (used to cut-off security systems to enable agents of the terrorist MEK to place the bomb in the facility). Some never heard of groups have claimed responsibility for the attack, but it is well known that whatever MEK does these days under whatever name, it does in coordination with its current paymasters, namely the neocons and Israelis.

    While no one was injured, and Iran has not confirmed the scale of the property damage, it appears that some of Iran's newest generation centrifuges which were being stored in the facility were damaged or destroyed by the attack.

    Once Iran has finished its investigation, it has vowed to deliver an appropriate response. And I am pretty sure it will.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateof...cident-sabotage-or-cyber-attack/#127165b7e4fa
    Iran Nuclear Facility Explosion: Accident, Sabotage, Or Cyber-Attack?
     
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    Tit for tat?

    I fully expect Iran will be destroyed at some point and destabilized. A bad idea but all we have done in the ME has been a bad idea.
     
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    Which was the 'tit' and which was the 'tat'?

    Iran did send a signal to Israel last month about its own vulnerability to cyber attacks. It was a signal because it was clearly not designed to do more than send a message. And it followed years of cyber attacks and other forms acts of sabotage and terrorism linked to Israel against Iran.

    After initial Israeli claims they had 'successfully' contained the cyber attack on their water storage facility, implying that the lack of serious damage was because of their efforts, the truth about began emerging. They didn't even know why the attack had not 'succeeded'?

    https://www.ft.com/content/3ea57426-40e2-42da-9e2c-97b0e39dd967
    While you have, more or less, some of the right ideas when it comes to the forces and interests which push the US towards the PNAC agenda, you are ultimately too misinformed by too much propaganda you have been fed about Iran for too long. To be sure, I am not saying that Iran's enemies cannot succeed to bring about the "implosion" they have been working on for too long. I am just saying that in Iran, they have an adversary that is a lot more capable then you imagine.

    When Iran hit some oil tankers belonging to the UAE last year, it hit them in a way that was meant to avoid both casualties and an environmental catastrophe and an oil spill. It did it to send a message to the UAE. The message to the UAE was that: you are vulnerable. Stop playing these games with the neocons. The UAE got the message then and quickly changed their posture. Although, recently, it seems they are beginning to forget.

    When Iran hit the Aramco facility in Saudi Arabia, it again did so in a way to avoid casualties. Like the way it those tankers, which required a lot more sophistication than merely blowing them up, to attack those facilities so precisely that their production would be taken out but no one would get hurt, is not at all comparable to blowing up something indiscriminately. In any case, the Saudis got the message a bit and began changing their tune a bit too.

    When Iran hit the Al Asad air base in Iraq, it again was sending a message, this time to the US. Again, the attack was precise and sophisticated: it featured capabilities no one else in the world, not China not even the US, have ever shown to possess. Ballistic missiles with a CEP under 10 meters. There are cruise missiles that are nearly as accurate but no one has ever shown to have ballistic missiles with such precision. Some in the US and among 'experts' in and around the US military establishment, got the message. Others didn't.

    When Iran hit the water storage facility in Israel, it was again sending a message of the numerous vulnerabilities that Israel has which Iran can target without much effort. The purpose wasn't to harm anyone, but to make sure the Israelis get the message that was intended. The Israelis, apparently, preferred to ignore the message and have been trying to send their own messages to Iran. While plotting with the neocons on the agenda they have been pushing for a while.

    At some point, once you have done all you can to make sure the other side gets the message, doing to leave no reasonable doubt about your capability to hurt them in case of war, and yet the other side wants to push for war relying on its capabilities to hurt you in return, then the next stage is both sides starting to actually hurt each other. Israel is too small, too much a mirage with little more than propaganda for its structures to withstand a war with Iran. We may end up seeing the truth in what I say become very clear as the neocons act even more desperately on a path that will see the ostensible country whose bidding they are doing the one that is hurt the most in the process.

    IRAN, in the meantime, will survive regardless. It always has, through all of recorded history, sometimes taking longer for it to resurface when some barbarian in its day decided to 'destroy it' and often capable of making sure the barbarian is put in its place. Israel, on the other hand, is a neo-colonial outpost and outposts don't survive long. And even though I personally like to see a correctly guided and rightly constituted "Jewish homeland" in the Middle East, it is also true that as long as the "Jews" have survived through history, it has almost always been without a home of their own.
     
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    Incomplete information. Your post talks about MEK but the article does not, so could you please elaborate? Who or what is MEK? I've never heard of it.
     
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    MEK = short term for "Mujahedin e Khalq" = in English the PMOI = "People's Mujahedin of Iran" ... ;-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran
     
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    I am giving you my speculation about what happened. The article doesn't mention the MEK, but mentions a never heard of group, "Cheetahs of Iran" claiming responsibility. Other articles, including this one in the New York Times, refer to speculation the MEK is behind the incident and the groups claiming responsibility, even though the MEK itself has reportedly denied responsibility:
    https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/07/03/world/middleeast/ap-ml-iran-nuclear.html
    As for who is the MEK? These they operate under the umbrella, National Council of Resistance Iran, and today work closely with Israel and the neocons. They regularly show up on FOX, who tries to boost the credentials of this hated group, as Iran's "main opposition" group, under the cover of the so-called "National Council of Resistance" (kind of like AQ groups in Syria changing their names to shed their negative associations). But before the US invasion of Iraq, the MEK (originally a Marxist-Islamist cult) worked with Saddam and fought alongside his forces against Iranian troops. They are hated by almost all Iranians, except members of the MEK cult of traitors, and have been involved in numerous terrorist actions in the past. While in the distant past, they had a small but committed band of ideological followers, they now have contacts and agents who work with them because of the money that flows to the organization through their foreign sponsors. And which they use to hire people to do their nasty deeds.
     
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    I assume that when Iran finishes it's investigation, it will come to the conclusion that the US/Israel were responsible.
     
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    Israel was almost certainly behind this incident. In fact, whatever "Iranian group" might have been also involved, they would have been akin to "Iranian agents" of the Mossad. The MEK comes to mind because they work closely with the Israelis and the neocons, but it could have been others with the same capability to bribe and pay out people to carry these kind of things. I don't think any serious analyst doubts Israel's culpability in the incident.

    Now, for Iran, the situation is the reverse of what you suggest. I am sure the Iranian government knows full well that Israel was behind this action. (In my take, based on what I am reading and putting the sketchy facts together, one that involved a combination of a cyber attack (from Israel) to cut off security measures and local agents (MEK or whoever) placing the detonating device inside the facility). The problem is if Iran acknowledges that it was Israel, it must then respond. And truth is that while Iran might not have any choice in the matter, all in all, Iran would prefer to lay low for a while as it has plenty of things on its plate right now (including Covid-19) and has an eye to keep things from bubbling over too much as it waits to see who is elected as POTUS.
     
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    I think so too ... because Iran is no different from everyone else, including the United States, when it comes to dealing with such issues.
     
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    Heh, in other words, everyone in the world would blame the US and Israel?

    That sounds about right!
     
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    What was the purpose of the enrichment facility, weapons?
     
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    I wish.
     
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    Persians ... I suggest you not to mess with the Zionists
     
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    Those Mossad boys, they're so sneaky, I admire them
     
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    The tit for tat goes back for many years, right? Who started it ?

    To me seems to be Britain and the US in regards Iranian oil and installing a friendly ruler...for Western corporate interests. Followed by Iran's revolution to oust that puppet. And the hostage deal. It has gone down hill since the those events with tit for tat.

    If you paid attention to my posts over time you would know I don't believe in our propaganda. Or Iran's for that matter. All govt's use propaganda and lies. In their own interests. That has been our reality for a long time.

    My position has always considered this reality. And I have never liked our own meddling in other countries including Iran. Nor Iran's for that matter. Nor us playing favorites with Sunni Arabs over Iran's Shia.

    I do support the right of Israel to exist though. As well for a palestian state. Without Iran meddling in that which only hurts that possibility.

    My western values rejects any theocracy and prefers secular govt with freedom of religion. Which rejects sharia based law that rules over other religions . There are enough problems with secular govt without bringing in the animosity between different religions and sects. Religion tends to divide people and create violence... consider Ireland.

    My sister dated an Iranian in the mid 70s who was here at our air force base. A guy named Rezi. The nicest fellow. He took a liking to my mom and even after he and my sis stopped dating would come to visit my mom once a week until he returned home after his pilot training on American aircraft..He was Muslim. I used to get him and his fellow ,Iranians pot. Lol.

    Then my daughter's best friend was Miriam whose dad an Iranian Christian who married an American and became an engineer allowed me to become friends with her dad, Sid. I met his Iranian family at Miriam's wedding and they were the nicest people too. And very western which surprised me. So I have had relationships with Iranians both Muslim and christian. Get this, none were political. But of course Rezi was here prior to your revolution...when Iran and the US were on better terms. And not enemies.

    As long as both parties here are neocon the chances of us going to all out war with Iran is IMO' a given. I do not support it of course. But this tit for tat leads to that conclusion. We have lost too many lives already fighting for corporate and elite interests. I agree with Gen. Butler who told us that war is a racket.
     
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