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How about a mandatory 25 years in a federal prison for employing anyone in the country illegally?

 

25 years for a non violent crime?

 

Anything else wouldn't be a deterrent.

 

Large fines and shutting the business would be a deterrent.

 

It’s an ageless struggle; farmers compete to sell their produce at the prices consumers are willing to expend for their produce. Raise the cost of labor and the price to the consumer increases. So, who drives the motives of the farmers to seek lower cost labor? How much are you willing to pay for your food?

 

They'd just start over under a new name.

 

It's rather ironic, isn't it, that there are 20 million illegals in this country, but the farmers can't find anyone to work their fields? I guess it obvious that these illegals have gone from taking the jobs American don't want to taking the jobs that Americans DO want. What the farmers apparently want is a steady stream of poor, impoverished, desperate illegals that will work for what these farmers want to pay. As soon as these illegals wise up and walk off into the shadows, these farmers will be needing more desperate illegals to replace them. This cheap labor, while the farmer gets to line his pockets, is really not so cheap overall, because it has to be subsidized by the American taxpayer, in the form of social services for the illegal family, ER medical for the illegal family, overcrowded classrooms, even incarceration for the criminal illegal, etc., etc. These farmers have had the cheap labor for so long and been able to pay them whatever they want, that they really don't know how to operate a business without cheap labor any more and all the time they have been doing this they have driven off maybe forever American farm workers into other fields. I'm of the opinion that if the farmer won't raise his wages and draw American workers back or change to crops that lend to mechanization, or can't stay afloat without illegal labor, then he shouldn't be in business in the first place.

 

It’s the consumers that drive farmers to minimize their labor costs. While their are some agricultural segments that have been taken over by corporations that can afford to automate large scale operations, resulting in a near extinction of small farm operators such as has happened in the Midwest with corn and similar food produce, other smaller farming operations, are often run by farmers that are by no means wealthy and that are also at the mercy of the weather conditions. Many consumers have little idea of where their food comes from, the living/working conditions of the farms producing their food, or the economics of the agriculture industry, they only complain when the prices of their produce increases. Few have any idea of what impact their ideas of not using low cost farm labor, often provided willingly by immigrants, will have by demanding farmers pay ‘living wages’ or hire higher cost domestic labor, on the cost of the produce they will see at their local market.
It isn’t just an issue for the agriculture industry, but any that looks to mitigate labor costs by hiring those willing to work for less like the construction industry, parts manufacturing, landscaping, etc. so, can the demand for low cost labor comprised from illegal immigrates be reduced? Yes, not by erecting barbers that can always be penetrated, but by penalizing those that employ illegal immigrates... but then, how many consumers are willing to pay the cost differential?

 

Tariffs are a limited resource. You don't want to kick off trade wars.

We already use far too much of our influence on agriculture exports as it is.

So you've just picked a fight with one of the most powerful entities in DC, the Ag Dept.

Assuming we're still in the real world.

Think subsidies. If you could get the Ag Dept to play nice, that would be great. Impossible, but great.

 

LOL

So the only option is to throw them in jail for a quarter century. Excellent idea, Stalin.

 

There's only one way to find out. If you want the product you'll pay an extra $0.45 cents for that cucumber. Using illegals as coolie labor isn't the answer. We eliminated slave labor in 1865.

 

You would only need to do that to 1 or 2. Who's going to risk that.

Ever heard of the Hobb's Act? Pretty Boy Floyd back in the 1930's knocked over banks and armored cars. The Hobb's Act made it a mandatory 30 years for planning to or actually intercepting an "interstate shipment of federal currency". Bank and armored truck robberies dropped to a few a year in states without federal reserve banks. The states where there are federal reserve banks are at risk because the shipment is intrastate not interstate. Long prison stays are a deterrent.

 

No need.
The laws have been in place for decades, they just need enforcing.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...elim-title8-section1324a&num=0&edition=prelim

 

And it will continue to be unenforced.

I am beginning to get the feeling you aren't actually interested in the problem. Talk, sure, but..

 

I doubt those taking the risks the do to cross the border illegally to work in the US would consider they are slaves, I don’t know of anywhere they are working as forced labor under the whip, but perhaps I am naive in that regard.. But, I am glade you have sorted the costs to the consumer by either eliminating the labor source or regulating what farmers should pay that labor. Interesting how you figure farmers are making such huge profits they, or the end consumer can afford the paying the labor what you think they should be paying.
But, a few questions....
What would be your objective? Paying illegal labor more, discouraging illegal labor, attracting domestic labor to do the work now done by illegal labor?
Do you think the agriculture labor and costs are driven by farmers, wage demands, agriculture middle men, or....?
Who do you think should set consumer prices and decide what they’d costs they would tolerate?
So, what regulations would you impose on the agriculture industry? And, with what authority?
What do you think of those agriculture products that now are produced in other countries at less cost than the US?
In the agriculture industry, who do you figure is pocketing the largest shares of profits? Individual farmers?
If wages are increased by farmers who do you figure will take the jobs?

 

It's not the work that attracts them... it's the going on the public dole

 

Oh well I guess people figure out ways to be criminal, according to democrats we should just give up, wipe all laws off the books and we can all just live in harmony.

 

The problem is the low pay is better than they can make south of the border. If the employer isn't making a profit they should quit the business.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-unskilled-immigrants-hurt-our-economy-12946.html

The 30 foot wall would discourage all but the very brave, a fall from over 10 feet is 50% of the time fatal.

It's supply and demand 101. The larger the supply of labor, the lower the wages they would be willing to accept for a given job.

Price points will be set by the consumers. Are they willing to pay $0.45 cents more for that cucumber? If not then we need to drop the price top $0.40 more and see if they sell.

I would be on all industry. Hire an illegal and the owners go to jaqil for a mandatory 25 years

They will raise their prices to match the U.S. farmers, but their labor will still make $0.69 cents an hour.

The large industrial farmers are making a lion's share. Small family farm's need to figure out how to make money by using technology.

This is why we need to eliminate the illegal workers from the equation.

 

More interested than you may think.
I'm an immigrant, but I did it the hard way, the legal way, and I resent those who are ignoring our laws by just walking in then demanding their 'rights'.
I get even more irate when the liberals are helping them with their stock catch phrases of: they are working families, they are just seeking a better life for their children (They always go for the sympathy by using children). Then when the illegals are caught and go through the lengthy and taxpayer funded legal process culminating in them being given a deportation order, the liberals automatically start with the 'breaking up families' chant.
The answer is fairly simple. Make E-Verify mandatory and close the employers legal loophole of being able to say "The documents he presented looked genuine".

 

Then I will give you the benefit of the doubt for a while. There isn't an easy way out of this.

You need a plan, there's no magic, but there's a ton of politics. No way is Congress going to beat up farmers over this.

Hint: carrots work better than sticks.

 

Make E-verify mandatory for all employers and impose ridiculous penalties for noncompliance. That would do better than any other method we're trying now.