Will we ever reopen?

I'm still waiting . . .

 

His dog ate his homework..

 

true words

 

Well, yea, but in general, people do not go on the street to demand economic improvements. Most of those protests usually organized by shadow structures, like ANTIFA, BLM, Gay movement etc.

 

Only after you present an evidence to support your claim.
If you deny apparent fact that mask get contaminated after prolonged use, then nothing will help you.

 

Should we?

Most people are fine with working at home if they can, and I see really very few individuals who aren't "essential" who cannot.

I'm sorry but really WHAT was/is shut down? Conservative hand-wringing notwithstanding we have been living in a "post-industrial" economy, for several decades now and the extent to which we have become such is probably why we are so prosperous. We work in offices on computers now, all the factories are automated or overseas in less advanced countries. That Trump and Trumpers think that miners are still shoveling and muscular workers still running lathes in factories just shows how really out of touch most of them have become.

 

The death rate is higher in EU.
It is all about testing.
The more people you test the higher the number.
All we should look for is a number of deaths, that is only number that make sense.
Actually the valid number would be the difference in death rate comparing to moving average for the last 30 years.
Everything else is politics and fake news.

 

That's all true. That's why you should look at percent positive and not just cases.
When you do that you will find we are about 7 or 8 times worse than the EU states.
And when that happens you will have more deaths. It's just a matter of time.

 

Of course.

 

The number of deaths lag infections...sometimes but months

More tests MIGHT account for higher infection rates...but the thing to REALLY look at is hospitalizations. And they're climbing along with the infection rates

 

I already answered that. You made the claims, so the burden of proof is on you. Also, I never claimed that one could wear the same mask for long periods of time. Wear once, and throw away if it's the paper type, or wear once, then wash in hot soapy water if cloth.

I am not at all surprised that you can't back up your claims from post #3. They were never more than empty right wing rhetoric that you probably gleaned from one of the alt-right's many anti-science sources.

Epic fail, kreo.

 

You want to force everyone to wear mask, without reason. There is no scientific proof that masks reduce number of infections (total disregard of science from your side)
Since no one enforces how long masks should be worn, it does not take a lot of brain power to guess that majority of people wear same mask for days, weeks even months.
Assuming that size of the virus is about 10000 times less then cells of the tissue, it will penetrate all mask layers after couple of hours and mask become a major source of infection.

 

I don't think so,

Nationally, levels of influenza-like illness (ILI) and COVID-19-like illness (CLI) activity remain lower than peaks seen in March and April but are increasing in most regions. The percentage of specimens testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, also increased from last week. Mortality attributed to COVID-19 decreased compared to last week and is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely increase as additional death certificates are processed.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

There is no mathematical model that can explain sudden increase in positive tests.
I believe, since testing facilities have financial incentive to report more cases, they are doing everything to increase their revenue.

 

You can "believe" that the moon is made of green cheese if you want...that doesn't change the fact that hospitalizations are going through the roof along with infections

 

CDC did not say that. They are "expecting" yes, but that is not certain.
Over time the total number of deaths and hospitalizations will be approximately the same in every country.

 

Newsflash...hospitalizations are already maxing out

 

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

 

That's laughable. Tell me more about economics when you're a billionaire.

 

Oh yeah. Everybody just forgot about Covid for the past 2 months. Nothing inaccurate about that. Yeah, social distancing was a issue, but masks were a regular thing among protesters. At least they could manage to do that much.

So what do you think? Should “the Left” have stood in front of them with bullhorns asking them to spread out? Do you really think that would have made a difference? Should they all have been rounded up and physically removed?

When people are ignoring social distancing requirements because they are enraged about police brutality, I think most people would be more willing to give them a break than the people who want to ignore social distancing rules because they don’t look cool in a mask.

And bear in mind, no one has been fined or arrested for this at Trump’s rallies, either.

I guess some people wouldn’t have been happy until they forcefully removed them all for ignoring social distance rules.

 

You mean considering the collective hysteria that the Left only now residcovered concerning Covid-19? Yes, yelling at the protestors and rioters about the deadly dangers their disregard for safety represented to the rest of the nation should have been priority one; and it would have been if Covid-19 really scared the Dem Party leadership and its politically loyal media outlets. But Covid-19 is just a political ploy for the Dem Party . . . just as was the protesting and rioting; especially since the process of justice was already fully engaged WHEN the protesting and rioting kicked-off.

Lecture me not on the concept of appropriate timing and nor on giving the downtrodden -- whom ended up killing one another with great efficiency and enthusiasm during this political stunt. Both Covid-19 hysteria and the protesting and rioting -- which the Dem Party and its poitically loyal media outlets encouraged -- were simply cynical leftist political stunts. Oh . . . and welcome back.

 

No one wears the same mask over and over, or for long periods of time.

I'm not forcing anything, kreo. The virus is doing that, but so far, Americans are not measuring up in the fight against it. Masks are a major component of that fight.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...ntists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html

"Some people think that if you wear a mask for long periods of time you will trap and breathe in excess amounts of carbon dioxide, which could lead to brain damage. That’s just not true."

"Other people feel that wearing a mask encourages people to touch their face and to loosen their adherence to other safety precautions like social distancing and hand washing. We’ve found the opposite. Wearing a mask reminds people to continue to be cautious. With a mask on, you actually touch your face less."

"... everyone should change the mask if it becomes wet or dirty."

Quit whining and put one on when you go out.

 

Unlike Trump, I don't pretend to be something I'm not.

 

And with that, we start to see Florida close everything back up again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...-dade-due-to-florida-covid-spike/2258327/?amp

 

I will, once someone presents evidence that wearing mask somehow reduces number of infections.
US currently (after everyone is forced to wear masks) has more infections then when masks were optional. How anyone can conclude that masks help in anyway to reduce number of infections?

I understand that clean mask can prevent spread of infection for a short period of time, in the the close contact, but to force people to wear masks everywhere is just a political standing. Similar to so many stupid anti-terrorist measures.

 

No. Stay home and shelter in place FOREVER.