So Texas is going in the Toilet

Yeah yeah, you're just alt-write.
We know.

 

Sweet. So, if you require me to wear one, and it doesn't protect me, you will be happy for me to sue you for making a false promise of curative value?

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...rom-nyc-to-texas-seeded-coronavirus-outbreak/

 

Nobody is forcing you to wear a mask. If you don't wanna wear one then don't wear one. But quit crying that your freedoms have been infringed because a business requires one worn in their store. Again, you aren't forced to wear it, but the business has the right to require you to wear a shirt, pants, shoes and masks in their establishment.

 

Lust fever.

 

nah, TX open too early, didn't wear mask, parties and open bars is the reason it got out of control. same with FL/AZ

 

LOL... I'm not and haven't claimed that, ever. I asked the legal question. If your government requires you to wear a mask. If the media shame everyone who doesn't wear one, and if you do wear one, and still get the virus, who should you sue? If, as government tells us wearing a mask if curative and it isn't, who holds the liability there? I would suggest that government does. And, because the media repetitively castigate anyone who isn't mask wearing, the hold some liability as well. This is as straight forward as torts ever get. It is time the people understood their rights to hold those responsible for the failures of they rmessaging and legal requirements.

 

I suppose who's closet you're referring to here matters as well.

 

Those numbers are aggressive. They are suggesting that under current restrictions, the infected rate would reach 21%. What state has effectively a 20% herd immunity rate? Further, if we reopened everything, we'd effectively achieve nearly 50% herd immunity in one month? 50% is the baseline where 1 person infects fewer than one additional person. Heck, if that's the case, I'd say we reopen and go for it! Realistically, I think this model is missing a few numbers somewhere and is flawed.





Think I'll go with University of Texas modelling at fewer than 5000 total deaths in the next 30 days. Seems more likely.





https://covid-19.tacc.utexas.edu/projections/

 

So don't wear one! NOBODY is forcing you to wear one. NOBODY. You can't sue anyone if you choose not to wear a mask. LOL You also can't enter businesses that require one to visit their establishment.

Nobodies rights or liberties are being infringed in any way if a business requires masks to be worn in order for the consumer to visit that establishment.

 

Who do you sue if you don't wear a mask and get sick?

 

We were doing well until "events surrounding Memorial Day" created large gatherings. George Floyd died on Memorial Day. That created "large gatherings", both at the bars and at protests, residents and tourists from out of state.

 

You go out of your way to cite democrats. Why? The quote from Abbot is the outlier here. And frankly, it wasn't the bars, it was the protests that spread the seeds, and those kids who went out drinking celebrating their participation in the bars.

You know what is keeping the census in TX hospitals high? Necessary surgery and care for things like cancer that were suspended in the shut downs that are now being done. There is plenty of capacity in TX hospitals. Why ignore that? Infections leading to hospitalization is lower than 1% so far. Why ignore that? Shaming TX still doesn't do anything about those governors like Cuomo, Newsome, and Inslee who allowed their citizens to infect their neighbors and states, like FL and TX, does it? Where is that criticism from you?

 

Why would you ask? But, and this seems to be an intersecting idea, perhaps you sue the one responsible for the transmission. There is precedent for that, especially the AIDs cases. But the better question is, once identified, why NY and other states didn't immediately quarantine those effected? Isolation keeps the herd safe until it doesn't. That is the rule in pandemics. Certainly China wasn't worried about their liability. Ostensibly Cuomo would have you believe he was super on it, and yet, it still escaped him, and his half assed measures to contain his own infected citizens from fleeing.

 

We also had protests in my state. Given I'm in a liberal state I would venture to guess we had many more protests. In fact, sadly, protests are still going on and the avg day cases we have is around 250. TX is in the thousands. If protests had a big impact my state should see huge surges. Of course, maybe the difference was in my state they wore masks.

 

And yet they are. I can be both fined, or imprisoned for not wearing a mask in a non socially distanced environment. That creates the expectation that should I wear one and I still get infected, that the legal curative (wearing the mask) failed, and I should be then able to sue base on damages. This is basic torts. And yes, even should I not wear a mask, there is plenty of precedent that suggests that I can sue the source of the infection.

 

You make too many assumptions. I didn't go out of my way to cite anyone specific. I just posted from an article I saw that said the same thing I've been saying...which is re-opening was too fast.
And blaming it on the protesting is BS. My state is liberal and I would bet had more protests than TX. In fact, sadly, these friggin protests are still going on here and yet our avg day cases is around 250.

 

Your contention is such that people should sue the manufacturers of vaccines because they only give 70% protection. If masks can cut the rate by 60% or more why would anyone resist wearing them?

 

Your state had passed the first wave. People had already gotten ill and many of the weak/vulnerable had already gotten sick, and lived or died. Protests started after your numbers were already on the decline. This is Texas' first wave. We expected some spike when the bars reopened. We did not expected major protests to start at approximately the same time. Bars, protests and 20-35 years olds. Spike!!! Color me not surprised.

 

hmm... likely because, as you said, it's a liberal state, and no one is actually getting tested, are they? Or, because you're in a liberal state, so many untested, and undocumented cases slipped by there could be a wider base of herd immunity than you are aware of. So, Miami mayor is a democrat. He's on record as saying that if he could continue the lockdown indefinitely, that would be fine. The judge in TX is a democrat, who, also said she was in favor of indefinite lockdowns. The Pheonix mayor is a democrat. She has never said what the correct criteria for her would be. And then there is Abbot who closed the bars down. The infections are flying through the 20 somethings who go to the bars. For them to be spreading it, it had to come from somewhere. All of those out of state car loads of eager agitators who came to TX to help incite the protests here are a likely candidate for who brought the virus with them. I don't know of anyone who travelled to infected liberal states. And yet, we see lots of NY and CA and PA cars on the roadways. Mostly traveling down the interstates, stopping in places like Dallas, Austin, San Antonio,, Houston. Gosh, the obvious...

So, perhaps we have an apple and an orange. Each with it's own dynamic. But fear not if you aren't a servant, in liberals states, you'll soon be dependent or otherwise tied to government provided incomes, because businesses aren't going to last there.

 

But we also had many more protests and yet our numbers are MUCH lower. If protests were the big cause we should see a surge. But we're not

 

Your foray into left field aside, what was the point again? I have yet to see a mask that indicates that they have anywhere near that efficacy. And frankly. if you saw what folks were actually using it's unlikely to be over single digits. Mask wearing is symbolic. It tells virtue signaling leftists that folks are obeying.. And nothing more. Even the best surgical mask is unable to protect others from an infected wearer. And that is the ONLY effective use of a mask. They clearly don't protect the wearer. The rule of thumb is if you can still smell, you aren't being protected. And nothing else will change that. If my government makes it a requirement to wear one, and they have, and while wearing one, I still get infected, I think it is entirely legitimate, then ,to sue the government for their ineffective curative. Just like any consumer protection that fails, suing the issuer of the directive is clearly legitimate.

 

I love the mandatory mask requirement. It really effs with the facial recognition software.

 

Again, nobody is FORCING you to wear a mask. You can stay at home or visit places that don't require you to wear a mask. You have the right to either wear a mask or not. You have the right to visit an establishment that requires a mask or not. NOBODY is forcing you to visit a business that requires a mask. Good luck on your frivolous lawsuit though.

 

You sound like a child when you make comments like "likely because, as you said, it's a liberal state, and no one is actually getting tested, are they?" Per capita my state is getting tested far more than TX.
As I stated already...my state is continuing with the re-open phases. Unlike some states that have to close some businesses AGAIN.