How Trump Stole 2020

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, one example proves nothing. You are saying that since they retracted one article, then all of them are false. Moreover, Palast is not RS staff. You are using one retracted article and from there you are saying that Palast 'made up the story', which is absurd.

    That's a logical fallacy.
     
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    Will Trump steal the 2024 election as well?
     
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    Only because you agree with him - you have no idea whatsoever if he is honest, his information is accurate, or the if the issue was not already reviewed and adderessed.
    And you don't care.
     
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    What Hillary/DNC did was in the primaries. And, whatever Hillary/Wasserman did, I find it hard to account for the 3 million vote margin she won by.
    Moreover, she wouldn't have had to do anything, as the superdelegates were in the tank for her anyway.

    Interstate Crosscheck purged 1.1 million voters from the voter registration rolls in the general election. IE was tossed out by the courts, they can no longer use it, so now state have resorted to voter caging, which is to mail out post cards requiring them to be returned in order not to be removed from the voter registration roll. But, what republicans do with the post cards is require postage, and make them look like junk mail, and they often do not mail them out soon enough that they will be returned by the deadline, and, due to real stats, we know that a disproportional number of them will not be returned in poorer neighborhoods, and so caging helps republicans. What republicans also do is reduce the number of polling locations in poor neighborhoods, creating long lines, while they install plenty of voting places in white neighborhoods, and this restricts the number of votes in poor neighborhoods, forcing them to vote on days that are inconvenient for them, Add on top of that district gerrymandering and voter IDs ( adding more and more hurdles to get the ID,) and what we have is republicans suppressing the vote far worse than that of any other party. Pointing to Hillary is a false comparison, nothing she did compares to what republicans are doing.

    I'm all for mail in voting, but a large number of mail in votes were tossed because of ballots being improperly labeled, filled out, this that and other, I think it was a couple of million spoiled votes during 2016. But, since it would make it so much easier to vote, the swell in voters would, in my view, offset the spoilage.
     
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    Interstate Crosscheck was blocked from continuing by a federal judge. If anything, it sure as hell doesn't contradict what Palast has been warning people on.

    https://apnews.com/2c82eb782e578bbb81c121ec453fbee8
    Kansas has operated the multistate program since 2005, although the program hasn’t been used since 2017 when a Homeland Security audit discovered security vulnerabilities.
    https://electionlawblog.org/?p=108358
    https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-court-blocks-indiana-voter-purge-crosscheck-law
    https://ipbs.org/projects/assets/common_cause_v_lawson_decision.pdf
    https://www.wbaa.org/post/state-loses-federal-appeals-court-over-voter-purge-method
     
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    :lol:
    Because?
    Provide a citation and quote the text.
     
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    After the election, with the help of Kobach's Interstate Crosscheck program ( which was recently blocked from continuing by a federal judge ) Trump awarded Kobach to head the voter fraud commission (which didn't find any fraud, by the way ).

    I think 'blessing' is reasonable conclusion given the above fact.
     
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    I think the president is counting too heavily on the statue vote while killing off his potential voters in Texas and Florida.I believe no statue should be allowed to vote without a valid ID. Brass nameplates don't count.
     
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    Electoral_College.jpg

    :woot:
     
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    I think it is very efficient of the left to have their excuses and talking points finalized 5 months out.
     
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    That's not at all what I'm saying. I never used the word "all". I wasn't even commenting on Palast. You made the claim that it was "preposterous" that an investigative journalist working for RollingStone might make things up. Since we've actually had an investigative journalist working for RS just make things up, the idea certainly isn't "preposterous" anymore. That doesn't mean that it happens every time RS publishes anything, but it has happened, so we no longer dismiss the possibility as "preposterous".
     
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    The judge ruled that Interstate Crosscheck failed to meet the requirements of the National Voter Registration Act,
    and ruled in favor of the Plaintiffs who sued to block IE from continuing to be used. Half the ruling is about standing,
    but many examples were given in support of Plaintiff's contentions, and there is no one short and sweet citation, just know that
    the court sided with the Plaintiff ( Common Cause, League Of Women Voters, and NAACP ) that they succeeded in convincing the
    court with their numerous examples given and below is the citation which states this.

    https://ipbs.org/projects/assets/common_cause_v_lawson_decision.pdf
    The integrity of the voting process is critical, and one measure to
    protect that integrity is the voter-registration process. A name
    on a voter roll in Indiana is there only because a voter took
    the trouble to put it there. Laws such as the NVRA ensure that
    the states do not undo that work without good reason. “[T]he
    right ... to vote is a fundamental right,” 52 U.S.C.
    § 20501(a)(1). The NVRA is designed to ensure that the com-
    peting interest in preventing abuse does not wind up disen-
    franchising American voters. On the preliminary injunction
    record before us, we are satisfied that the plaintiff Organiza-
    tions have standing to sue, and that
    they put enough in the
    record to show a likelihood of success on the merits.
    We therefore AFFIRM the district court’s grant of prelim-
    inary injunctive relief in each of these cases.
     
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    So, your organization failed to meet the standards set by law and was therefore unable to recount the ballots.
    How is this ruling unsound?
     
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    Your argument rises or falls on the 'might' premise. But one could make that argument on any news outlet as all news outlets, at one point or another, have retracted articles for having later proved false. If all news outlets are no better, then your 'might' implication is utterly meaningless. If all news outlets "might be lying" when why should we EVER cite any news source? Your premise is therefore, absurd, a point which I've already given in a previous comment.

    Therefore, "Might" Isn't a refutation, that's more on the order of innuendo. Plus, in this thread, I have confirmed that the courts have blocked interstate crosscheck for some of the reasons Palast has been warning us about, and, as such, if anything, tends to support Palast and refutes your assumption that I am blindly agreeing with him.
     
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    If he can. and Assuming he will be running Ivanka, (or Eric)
     
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    OMG! it's a dynasty! HAIR....ON...FIRE!
     
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    And yet, you haven't been able to demonstrate how the decision of the court was unsound.
    Your argument , thus, is noting but implication and innuendo.
     
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    it's called the Kavanaugh strategy.
     
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    It wasn't "Kobach's" program. It was developed by Ron Thornburgh and was put under the administration of Kansas's Secretary of State, which happened to be Klobach. Unless you can prove that Klobach intentionally messed with the program to bring about a determined outcome then you have no evidence of anything. Such was never determined. Except perhaps by conspiracy theorists using their imagination.

    As for the voter fraud commission... The entire purpose of the commission was to find out if illegal immigrants were voting. Kinda hard to find such when you're blocked by states like California which has the most illegal immigrants living in it. Don't you think? In any case that Trump appointed him head of that program in no way proves that Trump gave him any blessings. And its not much of a blessing anyways. It's not like it actually benefited him in anyway. He had a higher position as Kansas's Sec State.
     
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    Whatever.. Kobach was the driving force behind it when he was Secy Of State of Kansas. The judge looked at the evidence provided by the plaintiffs and ruled that they had sufficiently made the case that it was illegal ( not up to NVRA requirements ) and blocked it. But that was long after it had been used by the many red states that partnered with Kobach ( 29 of them ) that purged minorities disproportionately ( because it purged dupe names across states, and common names, such as Smith, Lincoln, Washington, guiterrez, etc., are very common in minorities )

    Trump is well known for giving put positions to people that benefit him in some way. So, it's a reasonable conclusion. He's quid pro quo guy all the way.
    I don't even know why you can defend Trump, for all the corruption that exists in his administration.
     
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    IIRC it is pretty typical for an average of 2% of the votes in the U.S. in a general election to not be counted. For perfectly legitimate reasons.
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    Read the ruling, it's long, and I'm not going to cut and paste even half of the damn thing.
     
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    None sequitur
     
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    And some of those 29 states were blue. And it wasn't ruled illegal. At least in the common sense of the word which is about criminality or criminal conduct. It was ruled as not being up to the NVRA standards as you yourself admit. There is a difference.

    I haven't defended Trump in this at all. I've asked for proof of certain claims made. And all Presidents appoint people that benefit them in some way. So your argument is specious at best.
     

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