57 percent of voters support George Floyd protests

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  1. Jazz

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    Oh, NO! You are a Communist, then!! I better keep my distance!
     
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    You do know that whole thing was staged, right?
     
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    I'm not interested.
     
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    Thanks for the information I appreciate it.

    I don't think in the US anybody is even considering such a thing.
     
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    I did not call you a fascist. Do not distort. I asked you - are you a fascist?
     
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    Not this way. Pogrom is not only a murder. The meaning of the word pogrom is destruction, annihilation.
    I see that now in the USA Black is committing a pogrom.
     
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    It's a lie. Earlier in this forum, I repeatedly showed what to say that Stalin oppressed the population of the USSR is a lie. If you are interested, look in my profile. In the post about this, there are screenshots of documents showing that throughout the USSR (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan ..... only 14 republics) in the “terrible” 1937 there were almost half as many prisoners as in the USA now. Therefore, if you call Stalin a tyrant, then what is happening in the USA now? Fascist dictatorship?
     
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    Rather, a Bolshevik.
    But I wonder what you don't like about communism? Are you against "freedom, equality, fraternity"? Are you against the equal rights of all people? Maybe you are against the economic slogan of socialism "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work" and against the slogan of communism "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"?
    I would be very interested if you answer what you do not like about communism? If it’s not difficult for you, please tell me what exactly do you dislike about communism.
     
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    Thanks, first laugh of the day.
     
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    Blacks are poorly organised, largely unarmed, and mostly peaceful.

    But thanks anyway.

    By trying to make racial tensions worse, you are doing what Putin wants done.

    What a coincidence!
     
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    You are more than welcome, although I did get it backwards.

    He thinks Blacks will kill millions of Whites. Well, of course not, but that's what he said.

    Which is straight out of the Russian intel playbook, something they've been doing for about a century.
     
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    No, Destroyer, you got the slogans wrong! I, as a kid already, learned that the Communists say, "what is yours is also mine, but what is mine is not yours!!!"

    I have heard about their devastating influence in Germany before Hitler got in. The poor got poorer and unemployment was sky high.

    Of course, like everybody else, I also heard about the Russian Revolution, Marx, Lenin and Stalin. The Communists wanted to take over Europe. They are brutal murderers!!!
    Look at any country where the Communists rule, the citizens of those countries are not happy and try to emigrate, flee or fight their brutal regime. They are dictatorships and remain in power forever.
     
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    I expected just such an answer from you. When there are no arguments, always write like that. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    It is not me who provokes racial tension. On the contrary. I write that in this way the oligarchs divert the protest away from the class struggle.
    After all, someone is financing the protests. For example, someone cleans up streets and toilets in gangbanged areas of Seattle, New York and other cities. Someone is financing the food of these gangs. Have you thought about who does this?
     
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    True, but not for a lack of trying.
     
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    They had nothing to do with it.

    The fall of the Weimar Republic had a number of sources. One was the reparations. Another was the damage to the country that the war did. A third was hard money.

    They slipped into a deflationary spiral, without deficit spending, they had no way to break the cycle.
     
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    You are a victim of Western propaganda.
    A few examples.
    Russia, under the tsar until 1917, is a poor, feudal country with an illiterate population, where 90% of the population are peasants. (There were also about 90% of the illiterate.
    After the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks took power in Russia. In the shortest period, the country has become the second economy in the world. USSR was second only to the USA. In 1932 the level of education is 100%. The education system is the best in the world. Even Kennedy said that America lost the space race (meaning the first flight into space) at a school desk. (hinting at the best education in the world). GDP growth in the USSR of the 1930s was more than 30 (thirty) percent per year. Neither before nor after such a GDP growth was found in any country in the world.
    100% free medicine and 100% free education was created (I will remind - the best education in the world).
    In March 1930, the last labor exchange was closed in the USSR. There was no unemployment in the USSR.
    The USSR was the first in the world to provide women with 100% paid leave to care for a newborn child. It was called "Maternity leave" because a special decree was issued.
    In the USSR, anyone could get housing for free. For example, during the reign of Brezhnev (he ruled 18 years since 1962) in the USSR, 160 million people received free housing. Once again - 160 (one hundred and sixty) million people received free housing. Until now, the number of homeowners in Russia ranks first in the world .....
    And further. In 1945, the worst war in the world ended. The USSR suffered the greatest losses in people and in industry and in agriculture. Cities were destroyed by the war ..... and ... after 15 years for the first time in the history of mankind, Gagarin flew into space. That is what socialism is.
    I can show a lot more examples.
    Therefore, you read less the media, and more about historical facts. Better yet, read the works of Lenin and Stalin. You will know what they wanted and what is happening now. Including in the USA.
     
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    To me no need to do this. Your oligarchs themselves do very well with this.
    Once again - about racial conflicts in the USA I wrote on this forum several years ago. If you want, you can check out my posts and read about it.
    At the same time, to predict this was not difficult. Because the inevitable decline of the economy and a sharp impoverishment of people are evident. And in order to avoid the class struggle, the oligarchs will by all means incite racial conflicts. It is obvious. Is not it?
    By the way, then many Americans laughed at my words. They did not believe that such a thing was possible.
    If you read my post of those years, you will see how they ironically over my forecast. But 2020 came and we see that I was right.
     
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    Some do, some don't.
     
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    You're a victim of Russian propaganda.

    The USSR had a command economy. That's fine in a crisis.

    The problem comes when things go back to normal. People make millions of decisions every day. A roomful of supercomputers can't do as well. In any economy, things will eventually go wrong. But centralised economies have a lot of trouble adapting to changed circumstances.

    When we have had big spikes in the price of gas, people switched cars. The speed was amazing. But in a command economy, you have to go through the process. By the time large numbers of small cars are available, the crisis is usually over..

    All, let me repeat that, ALL modern economies are mixed. Which is to say the government runs part of the economy, and people run part of the economy.

    One of the problems we share is income inequality. Putin is one of the richest men in the world, and the average guy in Russia has problems. His government is part criminal enterprise.

    Anyway, if you want to learn, there are a number of good books on income inequality. My favorite is Price of Inequality by Stiglitz, but there are others. I am afraid it's a bit involved for forum posts or even articles on the internet.
     
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    1. Thanks for recommending the book. I will definitely find it and read it.
    2. I am not a victim of Russian propaganda.
    I do not like the social and political system that is now in Russia. Many Russian media praise this socio-political system. I believe that a return to capitalism is a degradation. Some Russian media scolded Putin, some Russian media praised Putin. But almost all the media praise the socio-political system that is now in Russia. But I oppose the existing socio-political system. Therefore, I cannot be a victim of Russian media propaganda.
    3. Now about the socialist economy.
    In fact, a socialist economy is an advanced economy. But the construction of a socialist economy in the USSR actually ended under Khrushchev -This is the most negative political figure in the history of Russia. Khrushchev is even worse than Gorbachev.
    Khrushchev introduced Kosygin-Liberman reforms into the economy. (In short, there has been a substitution. Instead of the term "production of the product", the term "production of good" was adopted. The main difference is that “Product” is the physical expression of the product itself, but “production of good” is the expression of the product in monetary terms.
    Under the conditions of a socialist economy, this led to the fact that factories began to try to move away from the production of the often necessary, but cheap product, in order to produce, albeit not so necessary, but expensive product. Because under the conditions of planned housekeeping, profitability indicators were evaluated in monetary terms. And since at lower costs, but expensive goods compensated for the production of a more laborious, but cheaper product, a distortion occurred in the economic system. Hence the shortage of certain types of product and the imbalance of commodity-money relations.
    And further. Khrushchev pushed the abolition of the dictatorship of the proletariat. But even Lenin wrote that this cannot be done until the complete victory of communism, as a classless society. Because, as soon as there is no dictatorship of the proletariat, this place will be occupied by the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, whose role in the USSR will be played by bureaucracy. Which is what happened.
    Therefore, after the death of Stalin, the socialist project began to be phased out. In other words, social and economic development began to degrade.
    There is nothing terrible or strange about this. The new socio-economic system is always facing difficulties. Because he is new. There is no example how correctly.
    Scholars say the transition from slavery to feudalism took 700 years. From feudalism to capitalism - 500 years and only in Europe. There were periods of breakthrough, there were periods of recession. For example, there were actually capitalist Milan, Venice ... republics, then a recession and a return to monarchy and feudalism. Or another example - Napoleon - a republic, then again a rollback to monarchy and feudalism.
    So it is with the building of a communist society.
    The first communist state lasted a little over a month and in only one city of Paris. The second communist state of the USSR (socialism is the first, lowest stage of communism, preserving the rudiments of the old system. Such as money) has existed for 70 years and controlled the sex of the world, and was the second economy of the world.
    Communism is an objective and inevitable process. It just so happened that we live in a period of recession.
     
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    You ever seen a car made in Russia? They tried to import them here, but no one would buy them.

    We will have to agree to disagree.

    From where I sit, the inefficiency of a command economy guaranteed failure. You seem to think more centralisation would have made it work.

    During the oil crisis that brought the USSR down, Russian oil production went from 12 million barrels to 7. The economy needed to make many adjustments, but the bureaucracy was far too slow.

    There were also structural concerns in the economy. Russia was a poor country, and they had become dependent on food imports. To get them they used the petrodollars they got from oil.

    So when oil prices dropped, and oil production dropped, they quickly found themselves between a rock and a hard place.

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    By 1991, when external debt was $57 billion, creditors (many of whom were major German banks) stopped making loans and started demanding repayments, causing the Soviet economy to collapse. [ii]

    Because of lack of hard currency Russia's shelves were empty of bread. In 1984-85, the USSR imported 55.5 million tons of both wheat and coarse grain, a record for a single country to take in one year. Beginning with the 1972-73 crop season, the Soviet Union imported more wheat than any nation had ever done"
    http://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php/reason-for-ussr-collapse-oil-a-german-banks-not-reagan

    By 1991, when external debt was $57 billion, creditors (many of whom were major German banks) stopped making loans and started demanding repayments, causing the Soviet economy to collapse. [ii]

    Because of lack of hard currency Russia's shelves were empty of bread. In 1984-85, the USSR imported 55.5 million tons of both wheat and coarse grain, a record for a single country to take in one year. Beginning with the 1972-73 crop season, the Soviet Union imported more wheat than any nation had ever done.

    http://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php/reason-for-ussr-collapse-oil-a-german-banks-not-reagan
     
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    Yes, somewhat true. The conditions were ripe for a revolution and take-over by the Communists. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht were the founders of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), formerly known as the Spartacus League. They wanted to start a revolution like in Russia. They did not succeed, though. IF they had, I wonder if the Second WW could have been avoided.
     
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    Thanks Destroyer, for trying to enlighten me. I am not a foe of the Russian people, in the contrary, I sympathize with them. One of my brothers lies buried under Russian soil and that has given me a closer connection to that country. I have read with fascination books by Russian writers. Solzhenitsyn has become one of my favorite Russian, and he does not adore Stalin!!
    Your technical knowledge you stole from the Germans, just like the Americans did.
    Both my brothers, one spent a year in Siberia, were astonished over how poor and primitive the peasants lived.
    A funny thing was that the Russian guards had difficulty counting. Every morning and night the German prisoners had to stand in lines to be counted. It took forever! So often they lost their count and had to start over. Meanwhile the prisoners nearly froze to death!
    My brother also related how, before he was captured, they came to a village in the winter and the friendly peasants were standing in front of their huts. My brother had lost his cap, and a Russian mother took the hat off her son's head and gave it to my brother. That small kindness has made it all the way across the Atlantic, and I am telling you about it now, some 77 years later! Could you be that little boy, Destroyer?

    There is another story a friend from Germany told me. He was 12 in 1945 when the Russians came to his town. At one time he was sitting in the cinema with his friends, when a bunch of Russian soldiers came and sat beside them. The boys were always hungry as the Germans had hardly anything to eat. The soldier sitting beside him hauls out a sausage and a knife and starts slicing off some chunks. He offered my friend to also eat with him. And the two of them finished the sausage together!

    Same friend with a bunch of boys are playing in the forest with ammunition and rifles they had found. The noise they made attracted some Russian soldiers. The soldiers took the disciplining into their own hands and gave the boys a good licking and told them, don't ever do that again! The boys were very relieved that they were not reported to the authorities!! They most likely would have fared much worst. The Russian soldiers, he said, acted more like fathers or big brothers.

    I'm glad you now have Putin as your leader. Although not perfect, he is at least very good in diplomacy and has managed to get along with the Americans. The main thing is WWIII can be avoided!!
     
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    Are you saying 57% of the voters are brainless idiots, because that is the logical conclusion here.
     

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