Defunding the Police? It's a test.

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  1. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Certain cities would do fine if the police funds were cut and redirected in a positiveway, they are mostly rural mayberry type cities however.

    The cities that want to make cuts are not on the mayberry list.
     
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    When I was in the draft military the barber shop on post was staffed by civilians.
     
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    Defund the police means reform the police since 95% of police calls are not criminal or violent. After 40 years of GOP dominance, the police are being asked to hold back all the problems caused by the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and law & order has gone wild. We know that now because of videos and smartphones. No one is talking about doing away with the police except for a few idiots that Fox news interviews all the time LOL change the channel
     
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    Nope just asking you. Should barber services be provided by the government and not the private sector? It's a simple question.
     
  5. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NO. The important thing is the reason for doing something. You junk your car when it is not repairable. That would be a totally preposterous assumption to be applied to police, and only backed buy- The people that want the police are their enemies and want them to disappear. Every one behind bars or in danger of being arrested thinks that way. They all think of the cops as pieces of crap or pigs, at least until they need them.
    The alternative to police is vigilante law. That's not so far away as you might think- people are arming themselves at an alarming rate right now because it looks like it might be necessary to defend themselves.

    Get a dose of that, and conventional police will look like nice guys.
    And stop being insulting for the sake of argument when you do understand the real point here.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, they d0- Of course, they are talking about an alternative in replacement. Nannys or something more gentle that won't piss off the rioters.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, It would be. But like taxes- when they tell you it won't be that bad, they are blowing smoke up your skirt.
     
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    That is precisely the point. There are a lot of people who have been trying to reform the same problems for decades and decades all over the country, in city after city. They do not believe these police departments are 'repairable' especially with people like you doing whatever they can to enable the same exact blue culture that keeps having problems knowing when to their hands and baton down, and their guns in the holster. They just don't know when to stop hitting, kicking, beating, strangling and shooting.

    I am not sure this car is repairable. We may need a new vehicle with a new license plate and registration.
     
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    The only states in favor of defunding/eliminating law enforcement are blue states, I say go for it but any red state is entitled to close it's borders to abutting red states, right? Anywhere criminal behavior exists unopposed will become smoking ruins. There is going to be a massive exodus from blue states and red states are going to become economic boomtowns. I wish I had millions to invest, I'd be buying up land all over the red states and developing it, two acre lots stating at a million a pop, which New Yorkers and Californians will be happy to pay
     
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    So do abortions.

    And there is a law in
    place that prevents PP from sing Federal funds for abortions.
     
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    We need to get the real story out of the city as tonwhat their intentions are. Obviously they cannot possibly be that stupid as to do away with the police.
     
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    Cute but there needs to be serious disclosure to the population of the city as to exactly what the hell they mean, what current functions are replaced and/ or moved a nd where.
    I think that the city council is still swinging like a pendulum and hey better use common sense instead of emotions to come up with a solution as to how they will mold the police department.
     
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    Of course there is no real push to totally defund the police. Yet as I noted the term itself is just absolutely crazy and a bumber stickers , and yes the gebonees are giving the Trumpistas bumper stickers since Trump will claim they want to defund the police down to $0.
     
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    Of course the people who want this say the police "aren't repairable". That's necessarily for their objective, and they have no intention of allowing the establishment of anything they can't control- and they think they are close to controlling everything. These same people are racking up an unprecedented list of crimes against society and law and order, which many officials won't even admit are crimes, lest they strike again. They are willing to throw their police to the wolves.

    It's been like an old west movie where a gang comes to town tearing things up, and the people lack the guts to do anything because they might get angrier. They tell their sheriff not to do anything. That happened in Minneapolis, and that disaster in Seattle, where the dishrag mayor did everything but provide hookers and drugs for the thugs- and I won't say she didn't do that too.

    The people who are trying to reform the police right now ARE the same ones endorsing violence- against everybody. The fact some people have claimed something for a long time doesn't mean they have gone about change in any effective way- or that they are people with the right motives. It also doesn't mean the entire force is unjust, and there are no policies that endorse mistreatment or abuse in any police department- but there are a great many at prohibit it. Your are dealing with people, and just like teachers- some of them will not be right for the job. But we don't dismantle the school system, we try to improve it. School systems deal with a problem similar to police departments- a lot of the students they must deal with come from terrible parents who have taught them nothing but violence, and allowing that violence in our schools hurts all students- just as allowing violence in society hurts all society. It's an unacceptable condition, and enforcing laws to deal with it WILL result in many conflicts, and unjust things WILL happen.
    When you fix the people problem- you won't have a police problem. Black people commit over 4 times the percentage of murders and robbery that would match their percentage in society. Their IS systemic violence there, and police are going to deal with that in proportion to the number of interactions the crimes create- not the percentage of blacks in society. When you look art the statistics with that in mind, you find that the number of blacks killed in questionable incidents by police IS the same as the number of whites. Thus- it does not indicate blacks are killed selectively at all. Of course, they make sure that the death of a black person in an arrest gets 10 times the press of a white persons death, and that perpetuates the image of persecution.

    Every convicted criminal in prison is innocent- and every arrested black is innocent. The defenders of black privilege believe every one of them when the make charges against police- and refuse to believe police regardless of facts. They have charged the police trying to arrest Rayshard in Atlanta with murder, when there was extensive video demonstrating it was Rayshard's own actions to blame. At the same time, they are demanding the woman who set fire to the Wendy's be released from jail and not charged. The couple in St Louis standing in their own yard but holding guns, faced with a mob who had broken down a gate, included men with rifles and body armor on, and who had threatened to kill them, kill their dog and burn their house- is being investigated for threatening that mob.

    This insane mentality is total hogwash, and every rational person in the nation knows it. Nobody demonstrates when an officer is shot in an ambush call.
    I have no problem charging officers who violate laws and regulations. Minneapolis police had not hesitation in arresting and charging officer Chauvin- but the rioter didn't care about that.
    I have no problem with charging cops who violate laws. I have a huge problem with violating the cops rights without due process, and with punishing the victims for resisting the criminals.

    It's just not worth arguing over. You are either in favor of law order, or you are in favor of anarchy. Once you get that decision made and can speak realistically, then methods of change can be worked out. But NOT under the threat of violence, not in the face of these back-door attacks on justice motivated by extremists, terrorists, anarchists. No compromise on that.
     
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    Only an idiot thinks that society can function without police - and not all of those in favor of defunding the police are idiots.

    It is not much of an intellectual stretch to understand that one can be for reduced spending on police - and not be an anarchist.

    You are talking in Black vs White paradigms as if an entire movement is summed up by that paradigm - and this is simply not the case.
     
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    Defunding the Police? It's a test.

    Just a way to get police out of the way as you work toward tearing down the American way of life and replacing it with a Marxist ideology.
     
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    Indeed only an "idiot" does think that society can function without police. There were an awful lot of "idiots" in that crowd in Minneapolis, including the BLM organizer with the microphone, and for that matter a lot of "idiots" across the entire BLM movement who continue to call for the defunding of police. The "Defund the Police" mantra always was idiotic. Defund means end funding, it does not mean decrease. People have come in after the fact and tried to intellectualize the concept as if it were well thought out, but in truth, it was never anything other than the crazy rantings of a mob.

    Democrat politicians whom presumably have some sense, did not want to anger "their" mob by correcting their mob's silly notion, nor did they want to be politically saddled with such an idiotic concept, so they invented a reduction in funding/reallocation narrative and are pretending like that is what the mob REALLY meant. It is not what the mob meant. The mob is collectively "idiotic", and that idiocy extends from the defund the police mantra, to rioting and looting, all the way to tearing down statues. Idiots indeed.
     
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    True but you fail to understand that BLM doesn't want society to function. It want's to replace society. They know exactly what they are doing and they are good at getting young morons to believe it is the right thing to do.
     
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    Defund does not mean get rid of the police completely - except in the mind of idiots. You are trying to characterize the entirety of this movement from that lens - pretending that all in the movement are these idiots - and it is a mischaracterization.

    This serves to do nothing to deflect from the real issues that led us to this place. Ignoring the real issues will not solve the problem.

    I don't care about the anarchist crowd. 1) they are not a significant number - and these are idiots - at lest on some level. Very few people are of this mindset. 2) This group does not represent the entirety of the "defund" movement.

    Focusing on these "idiots" will not help to solve the big problems which many smart people in the defund movement are working to address.
     
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    Except that it does.

    de·fund
    /dēˈfənd/
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    verb
    US
    1. prevent from continuing to receive funds.


    It does NOT mean a reduction in funding. It means to stop funding. No funds equals no police. We do agree that this concept IS in the mind of idiots. It will clearly never happen. Watch the Minneapolis video with the mayor and you will see precisely the idiocy to which I refer.

    The only difference between your position and mine is that you are trying to pretend like the idiots shouting this mantra are not idiots and they MUST have meant something else. They are idiots that are detached from reality. It is THAT simple. If they were not idiots and were grounded in reality, they would be pushing for more training which clearly requires MORE funding, or at minimum a rearrangement of funding priorities. "Defund the Police" is an IDIOTIC means of conveying that thought.
     
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    Posting dictionary definitions of the word "defund" is well - the pejorative term you keep using.

    and you failed to address any of my points.
     
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    -LOL...yeah the whole dictionary and all its dag gum definitions trying to actually attach meanings to words. Definitions are IDIOTIC (sarcasm).

    -For the record you did not address the totality of what I said either. I addressed every bit as much of your points as you addressed of mine.

    -I have had my say on this topic and have said quite a bit. You have had your say and you have said quite a bit. There really is not much else of consequence to say that is going to fundamentally impact this debate. It is time to let the reader decide. This whole marathon concept where both people keep arguing the same point ad-nauseam is silly. It seems like no one around here is capable of ever ending an argument.
     
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    Right - that is why the only textbook needed for Collage is a dictionary.

    First you need to figure out what a dictionary is - and what it isn't. - That a dictionary includes colloquial definitions such as terms like "with child" - which was a term to describe a pregnant woman - but one that does not actually mean scientifically that a baby exists.

    Second - the point that you continually ignore - that there is a difference between defunding all of the police - or a partial selective defunding of certain aspects of policing - and for this distinction it matters not what definition of defund one uses.

    So while posting a definition may not be idiotic - thinking that it has bearing on 2 may well fit the bill.
     
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    I will let you have the last word unchallenged with this post from you being the last point in the debate. LET THE READER DECIDE.
     
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    Resignation accepted.
     

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