Russia has been paying Afghanistan militants to kill NATO troops

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    Well....FYI....as for Syria....the Russkis targeted us Mandelus....so you're wrong there. End result.....Lotsa dead Russki.....a good thing afaic.

    One main reason Russki got involved in Syria ....when Assad was about to fall....is for no alternative gaspipe that's gets to European markets if a more western friendly "puppet" was installed in Damascus.

    Kremlin could really care less about Asshat Assad.....I'm sure they know he's a dead man walking....but it's the SOB that they know and have dealt with all this time.
     
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    Nu uh!! Trump said so! His best buddy Putin would NEVER do anything like that. EVER. Cause Trump has spent so much time licking his boots and kissing putins arse, there is just NO WAY putin would do this to him. Na. Never. FAKE NEWS!!!!!!
     
  3. Mandelus

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    No no no ....

    First of all, with what legal right you had ground forces in Syria again ... or is Syria suddenly the 51. State of the USA and no sovereign country? Did you receive an invitation from Assad to help him against IS?
    And that the Russians started hostilities here is disputed ... means who did first shot ... and it is also told that the US ambushed the Russians = a crime! Why crime? Because Russians are allowed to be in Syria by the still legal governemnt of Syria with Assad in lead.

    That Assad is a bloody bastard and piece of sh** is true, but does not change the fact that he is the legal head of Syria! And to reason issue with that he is such a bastard, sorry ... please care first of all these bloody bastards the US support still like the Royals in Saudi Arabia and others!

    Secondly ... Syria and Russia (before USSR) are firneds and de facto allies since the 1960s ... Russian Navy has since then a Naval Base in Syria for example ... and it is of course of strategic importance of Russia. And this has to be respected by the US as the US demands that Russia repspects their interests. Anything else will only be American ignorance and arrogance only!
     
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    Yeah, I got it. You're an incredibly angry hateful person. I feel sorry for you.
     
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    We have financed each others enemies since Korea. Russia financed the VC when our army was in Vietnam. We financed Bin Laden and the Mujahedeen when the Russian Army was in Afghanistan. Now they are financing the Taliban when our Army is Afghanistan. So bank transfers and cash should come as surprise only to the naive. There is NO proof of any bounty on U.S. soldiers, that part is a left wing fantasy made up in a feeble attempt to defeat Trump in November.
     
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    So the army and Intel are not only Left wing all of a sudden, they don't hesitiate to violate the oath they took.

    Got a shocker for ya, most of those guys are Right wing, and they didn't violate their oaths.

    Now, how about giving that mirror a test run. Go ahead, it won't bite.
     
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    No proof there was a bounty on American soldiers....unverified. Run with what ever fantasy makes you happy.
     
  8. Mandelus

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    ROFL ... I hope you will say and write the same words to people who hate still Hitler, Stalin or Mao ... eh?

    And yes ... no miss-understanding ... I put Trump in the same line of evil persons and give a crap about who is upset that I do it.
     
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    The differences there was that it was the Cold War. If Russia funds the killing of Americans
    then we can have another cold war. Until then we are supposed to be sort-of-friends.
     
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    Ehm ... um ... wait a moment:

    Yes, that was back in the Cold War, when the United States did the same with the Taliban etc. as that which is why the Russians are now being accused.

    Just ... the USA has unfortunately started to start another Cold War with Russia for many years ... by the way, for no reason!

    Do you or anyone have any doubts or want to dispute that?

    When did Bush Jr. suddenly install the missile shield in Poland and Romania ... with the lie "it is against evil Iranian and North Korean misssiles that threaten Europe" although at the time both had not such missiles with such a range and at most North Korea now had some?
    So against whom was this action really against and why cover up with such a lie ... means ... what did Russia do badly at the time to put in fromt of their nose such a shield? Nothing!

    This was when the renewal of the Cold War began at the latest ... and many other actions by the USA, the Europeans and NATO followed. They can be summarized as follows:

    The United States claims that US interests and the spheres of interest of the United States are respected (geographically speaking) and, in short, that no one "dances" in their front yard or back yard without permission and / or questions these interests.
    Nice ... only then should the USA also show this respect towards the others, especially Russia and China ... and that was all too often not done. This then leads to the Russians and Chinese being upset with good reasns and ultimately to a new Cold War ... caused by the US and the West!
     
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    Same old crap about "who started the (first) cold war?"
    Some Eastern European nations took their opportunity and bolted to the
    liberal democratic West after Gorbachev. They knew Russia would always
    be a dictatorship - whether Communist of Fascist.
    I knew a merchant seaman whose job was to help ferry war supplies to
    Stalin via Murmansk. He said he was more afraid of the Russians he was
    there HELPING than he was of German U-boats. The suspicion, the paranoia
    from a nation that jointly started WWII was simply amazing.

    I am sure the Chinese are "upset"
    in ONE WEEK they caused trouble for
    1 - Hong Kong
    2 - India
    3 - Butan
    4 - Taiwan
    5 - Phillipines
    ... and the sixth nation I can't recall....
     
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    Of course you do. Go on girl!
     
  13. Mandelus

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    As of course you pray to your god Donald Trump and wear yur red MAGA cap with proud ... Go on little kid!
     
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    We can of course discuss who started the cold war after WW-2 at least ... and my answer will be that it was started by both ... because both didn't trust each other and both had their own interests, which then collided.

    But I'm talking about the current Cold War and this was without any doubt and by many evidence started ... sorry ... by the USA.

    Again, please tell me what Russia did so badly or why Russia was suddenly so dangerous to Bush Jr. that he put an anti-missile shield in front of the Russians in Eastern Europe? And even when he did ... why this BS of impudent lie that it iagainst Iran and North Korea too?
    Please tell me ... because at the time neither Ukraine was any issue and the Baltic States had no problem with Russia either so far ... there was only the conflict in Georgia in Causasus where the Russians are campaigning for a minority and protect them who want autonomy and where the Georgian government started in everse cuddling openly with the United States... and because Georgia send some hundred soldiers to Iraq after 2003, the US began BS blabbering of putting them into NATO as reward.
     
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    Holy crap did you you just "I know you are but what am I" me?
     
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    The Cold War began when Lenin came to power in Russia. Western people understood
    Communism to be the antithesis of everything Christian liberal democracies stand for.
     
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    No ... but then I wouldn't say a **** like you as far as my person is concerned.
    As the saying goes? Just as you roar into the cave ... it comes back from the cave as an echo ;-)
     
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    Not really ... Lenin raised power at end of WW-1 ... And since Lenin made an armistice with the Germans, he was naturally hated by the Western Allies.
    And since communism, of course, completely questioned the capitalist system of the west ... and the communism of Lenin and later Stalin with all the evil deeds also gave no cause that the so-called middle class and rich upper class in the west will ever like them, of course was communism automatically an enemy.

    But the Cold War itself started at the Yalta conference and became more and more significant after the defeat of Germany, as well as the death of Roosevelt.
    It is often said that the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan to protect the lives of hundreds of thousands of US soldiers. That was certainly a reason, but besides the reason for wanting to use such an expensive weapon, there was another, real main reason:
    Roosevelt had been pushing Stalin to fight Japan over the years. In Yalta in February 1945, Stalin then agreed to attack Japan 2 to 3 months after the German defeat, and Roosevelt was happy.
    Then his successor Truman and his administration were less happy ... because the tensions with Stalin had already started at the conference in Potsdam at the latest and Stalin announced that he would attack Japan in early August. That was not what Washington wanted, because it meant that Stalin would take up large areas in Asia.

    The topic here is not the old Cold War ... but the current new Cold War with Russia and the USA and the West have demonstrably started ... with the Missile shield in Eastern Europe, which for no reason and with a lie as justification was stationed.

    American right wingers in particular always saw and see a danger in Russia, no matter what Russia does or not ... uninteresting: Russia is automatically evil and if it is weak as under Yeltsin, then you shamelessly exploit it ... but if it is not more weak anymore like under Putin, then Russia immediately becomes more evil again and it is worked with provocations and lies to justify the anti-Russian measures.

    These are the facts and the whole truth ... and tell me one thing that justifies this evil behavior towards Russia ... something that the United States did not and still does today, with which one in the United States and in the West justified the behavior towards Russia!
     
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    Ooh, tough guy on the internets.
     
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    Both sides do this. In Iraq we had bounties on our head funded by Iran, and Iran taught insurgents to build IEDs and EFPs, and supplied insurgents with rockets and other weapons all the time. In Afghanistan we funded Mujaheddin to kill Russians, and supplied them with stinger missiles to shoot down their helicopters. Russia is not our friends. I would assume that almost all of our enemies are funding bounties on our soldier's heads. That is the way proxy wars are fought. None of this is new or surprising. It's the standard.
     
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    That corresponds exactly to my rating about you ... only I was polite and didn't write it. But if you say that ...
     
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    Once again with the "I know you are but what am I" . Popular with eight year olds the world over.
     
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    Today's credulous American does not need evidence or proof. If his talking head on TV tells him something, he believes it straight up. He doesn't care if the "sources" are "anonymous", he believes anyway. He knows in his heart that his government would never trick him.
     
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    It's not easy bribing people with a currency that doesn't have much value. This is why it's done frequently by Washington in their regime change endeavors, and not by other nations - that is with the exception of Germany. Merkel was paying the protesters at Maidan.

    The Euro though was high at the time, and I believe they were printing money as well. That the American people would believe Russia could do it with the Ruble, shows how gullible they are. The crime though is not in the naivete of the American people, but in those who manipulate that naivete for their own purposes.


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    What the Army found was American dollars.
     
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