Covid-19 is here to stay

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the Economist: Covid-19 is here to stay. People will have to adapt

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    So, let's not think that this one is bound to "go away" (like SARS did in 2002/4). It is here to stay and we need to learn how to live with it and protect ourselves at the same time ...
     
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    I've been washing my hands vigorously, wearing a mask in public, etc. I'm going to do my small part to help contain the virus.
     
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    The number of coronavirus related deaths in the US on the 4th of July reached the lowest numbers since the beginning of the China coronavirus pandemic back in March.

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    Thread.
     
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    That's all you can do until science gets off its duff and helps the world.
     
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    That has been a possibility from the start. This thing is getting pretty nasty. I wonder if the common cold began like this. Now we just live with it.
     
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    All that is correct.

    But who is to say that the virus just might mutate again and than be harmless, go away, or might get even more evil. It mutated into this very brutal virus, who knows what the next step is., more aggressive or just a dooooooooooooooooooood.

    No telling.

    If you are smart, you do what ever it takes to not get the current nasty sucker
     
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    I am reminded of the West Nile virus outbreak. I was working outside every evening getting bitten by mosquitoes and in the horse farm next door several horses died of the disease. I had no symptoms but I think I was also exposed to the virus.
     
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    Gooooooooood, HOWEVER, since June 15th, the number of hospitalizations related to Covid19 increased by 40% (11,000). In other words, don’t be too Trumpish.

    Source; covidtracking.com
     
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    I think you are right. This is our new *normal*. Eventually, we should build up resistance to the various strains but, sadly, many people will suffer and die before that happens.
     
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    Huh?

    Didn't Trump say it was going to miraculously vanish with the warm weather?

    Why are people still.dying?

    Or was a Trump just spewing BS?
     
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    Doesn't the chart you quoted show deaths decreasing as it gets hotter?
     
  13. LafayetteBis

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    And I thought Americans were "smart". Being one.

    But their recent behavior in face of a murderous epidemic seems childish. The death-rate is enormous when it's rapid ascent could have been at least partially stymied by proper usage of "lock-down" in cities where the population density is highest.

    "New York on lock-down? What next!?!" - I hear being mumbled. Well, yes! That should have been the rule and numerous lives would have been spared. But, for some silly reason, LaLaLand on the Potomac did not want to consider this a "national problem" but only a "local one".

    Now go present that pitiable excuse to the surviving families of the 132K dead so far in America. Donald Dork was and is responsible for the lack of national procedures to manage the anti-covid process that was necessary. His initial denial of its existence and now refusal to recognize Covid-19s murderous intent is sufficient to sink his chances of reelection next November.

    Let's remember, from the above cited article, Covid-19 IS NOT GOING AWAY! Meaning this: The death-rate may go down one day, but deaths will reoccur until a suitable Covid-killer vaccine can be developed.

    Remember that he did absolutely NOTHING denying even its existence at first and now he claims that the death reports are faked!

    This presidential-dork must be defeated in November ... !
     
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    FUTURE NECESSARY ANTIDOTES

    Nuance: The common cold kills damn few people. Which is why it is called "common".

    The outbreak of SARS (2002/4) and Covid-19 and any future variants will be an uncommon but certainly repeatable event. We have the talent and the means to find anti-dotes, but also we must not wait for the death-rate to become so apparent that "something must be done and quickly!"

    Death-rates can be mitigated if timely action is taken. These diseases must become a Number One priority of the WHO to investigate and manage any effort to find and help administrate any suitable cures. The WHO - despite what Donald Dork thinks of the institution - is the only one on earth that can manage a worldwide reaction by assuring that an antidote is both developed and administrated.

    But for that to happen, rather than getting UNFUNDED by its largest donor (Uncle Sam) even more funding is acutely necessary in the future to develop the necessary antidotes and administering them worldwide ... !


    Remember, this is the first time in America that a deadly sickness has caused so many continued deaths. It will likely not be the last one ... !

    We-the-sheeple must do something as a nation to assure any future breakout of a serious convectional illness (human-to-human) must be dealt with swiftly, deliberately and definitively! We have the financial means to accomplish that goal. So, let's use them ... !

    PS: If Russia or China had promoted this calamity, we would have invaded both or either of them. But, that wasn't the case, was it? The two viruses (SARS & Covid-19) developed all by themselves!
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Off its duff? Because that is where it has been sitting?

    I'll remind you that after SARS (2002/4) in China, the WHO funded an effort to find a solution. It was so complex and we did not have the right research into such pandemic originating viruses such that none was found. Thus, the effort to find an antidote was abandoned because SARS did eventually go away. (It never got out of China.)

    My reading of the subject seems to indicate that Covid-19 is of the same kind (of virus) but not the same strain as SARS. And it is simply amazing that research has developed some possible Covid anti-dotes. But, like all researched solutions, they must be tested for acceptability.

    That is going to take some time - and most certainly not overnight. It could take anywhere from six-months (at least) to longer.

    So, just be careful! Wear the damn mask when you are amongst crowds. It works!

    We went though lock-down in France and (wow!) we survived! It worked! French new cases crested and have been steadily diminishing since. BUT, it has become apparent that we will still be wearing masks for quite some time - because NO PROVEN ANTIDOTE HAS YET BEEN TESTED AND QUALIFIED AS EFFECTIVE.

    We will have to wait a while before that can be accomplished scientifically and at an acceptable level of success ...

    PS: The economic consequences (for Europe) are a significant loss of GDP in the 4-months past necessary to arrest the spread of Covice-19. That lost-GDP will not be recovered before the end of the year. And next year is when GDP will return to normal. But, the lost-jobs will likely not be coming back in the same measure as existed before. Due to another historical phenomenon that is upon us called Age Change. (We are leaving the Industrial Age and entering the Information Age for which different and higher-level skill-sets become necessary.
    PPS: The Industrial Age has gone in part to Mexico and in part to the southeast of Asia, where it has been put to good use by locals who are now manufacturing the pot&pans you buy at Walmart. (They too have lives to live.)
     
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    "Covid-19 is here to stay"

    Trump just said he did not even know what the "19" in the name stood for, how long has it been and he doesn't even know that much?
     
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    Well, you got me there as well - so I looked it up to be sure.

    Yes, it refers essentially to the year in which "covid" (the infectious disease) was discovered (2019). Which also makes good sense, but, then, one can never really be assured with appellations ...
     
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    WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CHINA?

    The SARS epidemic was also worldwide. It affected 26 countries and resulted in more than 8000 cases in 2003. But it stopped all by itself. Nobody "killed it" with an antidote.

    You have put your finger on the point that bothers me most. Viruses very rarely mutate out of existence. They can get worse, as the SARS-to-Covid mutation has shown but though the human evidence of infection is obvious, the construct of the virus is not always the same or even similar.

    The previous infection was SARS in 2002/4 and in the same country - China. Did it mutate into Covid-19? I have never seen that specifically mentioned in the texts. And the WHO studied SARS for about a decade afterwards (before shutting down the effort in 2012) without any results.

    And why should a deadly virus come about in the same country? What is it about China that both SARS and Covid started there?

    And, now, these same leaders in Peking think that they can invade Hong Kong, which is clearly against the agreement signed with the UK!

    MY POINT

    China is getting out of hand, and I must admit (as much as I dislike doing so) that Donald Dork is right to be weary of its "so-called political leadership"*. China and North Korea are both the very last evidence of Communist Dominant-Rule extant anywhere on earth ...

    *Though I also think that what Donald Dork wanted from China was just a trade-deal and nothing else. He's upset perhaps because China did not want such a deal. It would have meant opening itself to more American trade, which is typically more expensive than its own version of the same products.
    *From here:
     
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    yes, it's here to stay.

    Most likely it will subside to one degree or another, just as other virus have done over centuries.

    While bureaus will be enhanced, and companies will make wonderful profits from it, it will not be "stopped" anymore than murder will be stopped or reckless driving.
     
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    US has the lowest Covid death rate in the world, a fact the media ignores.
     
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    Have the exact quote for us that you are referring to or is this a Rachel paraphrase?
     
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    The same WHO that told us Covid couldn’t spread person to person? That’s the organization we should fund? lol
     
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    The fact is; The U.S. currently has 403 Covid19 Deaths per 1M pop, thus, a very high rate compared to the LEAST and MOST affected nations.

    Top 10 Nations with highest Covid19 Deaths per 1M pop;

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    8. United States
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    Source: WorldOMeter
     
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    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
     

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