Canada crushing the curve while US cases Soar

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  1. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aside from the other crazy claims in this posts from the Republicans, this claim about Republicans "not going out of their way to damage his standing in the nation or the world" is beyond any possibility of rationality!

    The unending attack, lies, even claims Obama is not the President weren't done by every level of Republican leadership? All these things were done to sabotage the USA and our standing with countries all around the work, most especially our enemies!

    Everything Republicans claimed to destroy the credibility of the USA inside and outside our country was done without consideration to the consequences by Republicans to the damage of our country!

    Republicans went out of their way for even the most trivial issues of Obama wearing a Tan suit to claiming Obama to support terrorists in our war areas, even when Republicans turned around and did the identical procedures.

    Republicans have done more to undermine the authority of Obama from before Obama's first election, to this very day drying to with the most goofy ideas that Trump claims it is Obama failed to to buy masks 10 years ago, even as Trump cut budgets and programs and materials to keep America safe, even as Republicans spent unending TRILLIONS for billionaires, space wars, and ever more nuclear arms while Americans day every day without ever getting $1 GOOD N95 masks to keep America safe!

    No one listens to Trump and Republicans around the world or at home because these Republicans are personal mercenary idiots who make the people around the world know American "powers" are worthless, dangerous idiots.
     
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    I recall seeing this a few months back. It seems they went into action after the downplaying.

    Do you think this actually helped or is it more an illusion to appear to be doing something?

    If it did help, I've been wondering why we haven't implemented something like this. Shouldn't we be considering how other countries are addressing the problem and looking at their flattened curves?
     
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    The people who say 'why didn't Trump do more?' Are the same people who aren't going to listen or do anything that Trump says anyway.
     
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    Unfortunately, with this virus, it isn't only about ourselves - we need to be cautious for others as well.
     
  5. Josephwalker

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    Feel free to stay home. My super lib sister in law has left her house once since this began. Just shoot me! lol
     
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    Unfortunately, there are people who cannot afford to stay home. They need to go to work - some in high risk areas. So I don't think its a lot to ask that we care for those people by wearing a mask. Do you?
     
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    The surge in cases results from a surge in testing. I read people saying that increased testing has a partial effect on the number of cases. Hello. It is has 100% of the effect. Every case results from a test. Ever wonder why they never provide numbers on the number of tests that show negative for the virus? The total number, all caused by more testing, is far scarier. I'm one of those who tested negative. Yet I and others who tested negative are not part of the statistic.

    Demand that they provide both numbers so we can see whether the infection rate is rising or declining. The numbers they are feeding you are truly meaningless.
     
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    Once again, YES and NO

    Here’s an indisputable fact;

    From Apr 24th to Jun 08th, we had a surge in testing, from approx. 5 million cumulative tests to approx. 20 million cumulative tests, thus, a surge of approx. 15 million tests, HOWEVER, same time period, our Daily Cases RECEDED from 39,000 to 19,000 cases.

    And another indisputable fact;

    From Jun 8th to Jul 4th, we also had a surge in testing, from approx. 20 million cumulative tests to approx. 35 million cumulative tests, thus, another surge of approx. 15 million tests, HOWEVER, same time period, our Daily Cases ESCALATED from 19,000 to over 50,000 cases.

    In addition, from May 23rd to Jun 15th, our number of Covid19 hospitalizations RECEDED from approx. 38,000 to 27,000, and then, from Jun 15th to Jul 4th, our number of Covid19 hospitalizations ESCALATED from approx. 27,000 to 38,000, thus, evidently, we also had a surge of Covid19 hospitalizations since the spikes of Covid19 cases.

    Last, here’s a right-wing ridiculous assumption;

    “We had a surge of Covid19 hospitalizations due to a FINANCIAL INCENTIVE.

    Ridiculous!.....due to the fact, PRIOR to hospitalization, a near majority of patients were;

    a. Stay-home Confirmed cases
    b. Stay-home Presumptive cases, thus, were tested positive, but were not CDC confirmed.

    In addition, a near majority were investigated/monitored by our contact tracers, but have not yet been tested.

    Thus, here’s a conspiracy theory for our sick minds, but pleeeeeeease, don’t tell anyone; Prior to a nasal/saliva test, some of our testing sites/testers have deliberately contaminated their swabs with the virus, and then, covertly received a “financial incentive”.
     
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    We have it "under control" as much as anybody else...

    The issue now is that we (since June sometime) have been counting "potential cases" as "verified cases", so that the media can keep running headlines about "spikes" and "increases" in the number of cases... Notice that we aren't told what the "negative test result" numbers are?? It's all a fear mongering hoax, and sadly, it's working on a lot of people...

    Truth is, deaths have been plummeting downward (and now are hardly any per day) since May. And that is WITH counting "deaths with covid" as "deaths BY covid" to boost up death totals. Infections have likely followed the same bell curve, but the increased testing since May (and once that wasn't enough, the "potential cases" being counted as "verified cases" since June sometime) has allowed the 'number of infections curve' to look like half of a bell curve, just going up up up up up... The fear mongering and game-playing regarding this virus is all a huge hoax that many people are falling for...

    Oh, and half of the total deaths have come from nursing homes and other care facilities, aka those people were already on death's doorstep anyway... corona just "opened the door"... The common flu would've done the same thing to those people...
     
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    We definitely do not have things under control as much as everyone else - the fact that we do not is the point of the OP.

    I am interested in your total deaths decreasing comment though - would like to see some numbers on that. I agree that this is true in most other places in the world.

    I also agree that most of the people dying from this virus are "ready to go". Like any virus - it takes others as well - albeit this is a bit more nasty and we do did not have treatment for one aspect of the disease that kills - one that is different than other cold viruses.
     
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    So we have transitioned from shutting down the economy to mask?
     
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    So you are suggesting that there was an increase in the infection rate. But we have no numbers revealing total tests or tests that show negative infection. You can post the numbers all you like but I view them as nonsense. Not your fault since you didn't calculate the numbers but they are nonsense nevertheless.

    To give you another nonsensical number let me point out the problem with the number of deaths. They are identified as COVID deaths. In fact they are deaths caused by one thing or another while positive for COVID. A few of these deaths were caused by injuries like car accidents as an example. We don't know because we haven't done autopsies on 125000 dead people. So tell us you don't know what killed all the dead COVID victims but you estimate it could be around X. Tell us don't know whether COVID kills people directly or creates an environment in which the body has trouble with underlying conditions. Don't include care accident victims.

    I understand that developing numbers and models is tricky. But I feel they are being used to push an agenda. In February we were told not to use masks because they wouldn't help. The truth was they wanted to reserve the masks for medical workers. Just tell us that. We have no problems with reserving masks for medical workers. Now you can be fined for not wearing one in some areas.

    We the people aren't stupid. Tell us the truth, warts and all, and it will help the reputation of epidemiology. Keep government out of it as much as possible.
     
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    From the CDC...
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    Take note, if you go to the CDC page (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html) and attempt to find the very link that I posted above just from perusing through it, that the data about "total cases", "cases per day", and "total deaths" is put right smack dab in your face, but data about "deaths per day" (or per week) is quite hidden and one has to really dig for it... Is that just "by chance"?? ;)
     
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    I have. A couple of weeks ago, for anyone paying attention to my posts. There was even a thread created about it - that we could open the economy, but masks should be mandatory. Is it too much to ask?
     
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    I just saw a chart with the US, Canada, Australia and the EU all at about the same place on March first. Since then those other countries have flattened right out, while we have gone wild setting new records every day. Amazing the damage an incompetent president can do. Hopefully at this time next year president Biden will have us pointed in the right direction. I see that Dumb Donald is insisting the schools reopen no matter what. If my kids were school age I would opt for home schooling, until it's really safe.
     
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    The conversation you and I were having was about shutting down the economy which is a different subject than mask.
     
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    you posted the wrong link - but fortunately - you got close

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm this is the link you are looking for. Unfortunately you can not cut and paste the chart - but indeed death counts have gone down significantly.

    Good one. now to find a chart with the number of new cases - which I suspect has increased far more as a ratio than the death rate.

    So your claim has merit.
     
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    In my very first comment to you - Unfortunately, with this virus, it isn't only about ourselves - we need to be cautious for others as well - I was referencing the wearing of masks for those who do go out. Sorry if this wasn't clear.
     
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    It is safe for kids - Kids don't get corona except in rare instances - and they do not transmit the virus very easily.
     
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    I was probably thinking of previous statements of yours
     
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    I don't think we know if kids get it. They may just be asymptomatic. And that I find amazing in view of wanting to open schools.
    I think we know college age kids catch it.
     
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    We know lots about kids - they have a built in immunity to it - if they do get it they don't have symptoms - or mild if any - and they do not transmit it easily.

    The risk rises gradually with age - the risk is very low for collage age - "insignificant" comes to mind.

    When you get to the mean which is like 84 ... the bell curve looks more like a spike - but even these folks are not that high risk - sans underlying issues.

    Give me the number of deaths - subtracting the "underlying issues" fraction por favor - then we can have a meaningful conversation.
     
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    Strange. I just watched Brix say they didn't know.
    But I would welcome a link with some numbers.
     
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    That's the definition of tyranny. Our nation wasn't founded on tyranny, but on individual freedom and liberty.

    If you feel threatened by those around you, you are free to quarantine yourself, but not to quarantine others.
     
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    Go through the stats on any local site - not to many people dying under the age of 70.
     

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