"Televangelists, megachurches tied to Trump approved for millions in pandemic aid"

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  1. glitch

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    Well write your Congressmen and see if they can change the laws of our land. Businesses cannot be discriminated on the basis of religion.
     
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    Religious entities, NFP, etc. are ALL businesses. They aren't getting a "religious break". They are being awarded funds to help keep their employees and business intact.
     
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    Its just thinly disguised Trump bashing by the usual suspects.
     
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    You have still failed to provide a single thread of proof that these businesses obtained the PPP loans inappropriately or that there was direction from Trump for provide these loans to them. All you have provided is speculation that this is the case. This is your thread. Show us the part of the law where they should have been disqualified. Tell us how many people they employ and whether they do not qualify as a "small-business". "Because I think so" and "But.....my feelings" don't really cut it.
     
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    Beat out? It was first come first serve.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is getting tiresome
     
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    I heard that Trump's driver's cousin's hairdresser received a PPP loan. Obviously she was only able to do so because of her connection to Trump. I heard that she may have even donated $10 to Trump's campaign. That is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!
     
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    TDS is quite ugly. It is like a tourette's syndrome where all these folks can do is yell "Trump, Trump!".....
     
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    Well, I'm a rock-solid Conservative, but if I understand this correctly, churches ("Mega" or smaller) do not pay taxes!

    Any entity that does not pay taxes, and/or is totally free from government interaction and interference (as churches are) should not be eligible to be receiving "aid" of any kind from the government.
     
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    Churches are only exempt on those earning considered to be charitable contributions. Most Mega-Churches have income derived by other means that does not fall into that category and they are required to pay taxes on that amount.
     
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    They also don't pay taxes. It is one thing to provide support to religious organizations who provide services to the community, it is completely another thing to pay people to work for religious organizations, especially ones whose jobs seem to be devoted towards raising money.
     
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    Since that is so fungible and they enjoy tax exemptions on purchases as well, I wouldn't give a penny to a religious organization before every mom and pop restaurant was provided for. Religion can't go bankrupt.
     
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    Neither do any other non-profit....like Planned Parenthood....what's your point? Both were entitled to and got loans via PPP...the point of PPP was to ensure people keep their jobs.

    There are people at all those organizations who's job it is to collect donations That's how non-profits work, many were in trouble during the pandemic because there weren't a lot of people with extra money to donation
     
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    He insisted on putting his name on every one.
     
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    Sure a church can go bankrupt....they might not pay taxes, but they still have rent, morgagges bills etc.
     
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    And good for him....I hope the non-profit, no tax paying Planned Parenthood knew it was the President that helped them during the Chinese Virus pandemic
     
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    What's wrong with that?
     
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    The point is that they shouldn't be eligible. And while Planned Parenthood (or at least the 40 locations who received loans) clearly provide services, I wouldn't let any non profit have funding before a local business under the program.
     
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    Why don't you read the post I replied to to find out the context of my reply instead of making one up?
     
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    Why shouldn't they be eligible?
     
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    No, but their employees can still starve.
     
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    I did not know about that 'taxing' provision for certain kinds of income to churches, so I'm probably not a good one to assess these matters. Still, it seems to me that there isn't much justification for 'pandemic aid' to be paid to religious organizations. I know that we have a constitutional prohibition on the establishment of an OFFICIAL national religion, and that different religious organizations are more-or-less free to practice their beliefs as they wish. But there shouldn't be any entanglement of church and government money, because of pandemics or anything else -- except aid for natural catastrophes, like floods, earthquakes, etc.
     
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    Just because you do not think a religious organization provides any service that you support or would need/use, that does not mean they do not provide any service.
     
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    well the bill was debated, discussed and voted on with some bipartisan support...maybe you should have written your Congressman back then. It's law now, and they are certainly entitled to the loan

    It certainly begs the question why Planned Parenthood should of needed the money if they were still full operational
     
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    The aid program provided money for people who do lose their job, including food stamps. The PPP program was meant to keep businesses afloat, not religions. Religions don't need money and these mega churches have tax free assets that could easily keep them afloat.
     

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