"Televangelists, megachurches tied to Trump approved for millions in pandemic aid"

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The dummies who wrote the bill should have excluded their buddies but the voters keep electing the dummies and then complain when the dummies help their buddies instead of the voters.
     
  2. Nunya D.

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    There wasn't any religious entanglement. All religions could apply.

    https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/SBA Faith-Based FAQ Final.pdf
     
  3. MJ Davies

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    I still don't understand the issue with it.
     
  4. MJ Davies

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    I did read it. I don't see the problem.
     
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    The lefties only like pork when Nancy Pelosi and her flying monkeys are serving it to them.
     
  6. MJ Davies

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    This is not accurate at all. As stated many times now, a church is a BUSINESS. They have employees and other bills just like any other business. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Is Johnson and Johnson NOT a business just because you may not like their products?
     
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  7. Nunya D.

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    Valid point. However, it would be hard to exclude one religious organization while allowing others (smaller ones that do not have endless funds). Churches still have bills, rent, and other financial obligations that need to be met.
     
  8. MissingMayor

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    On that particular post, where did I even say there was a problem? Try reading it again. Slowly this time.
     
  9. MJ Davies

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    So, you're going with being condescending? Good to know.
     
  10. MissingMayor

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    Most churches don't pay property taxes or pretty much taxes on anything, even sales taxes. We do that for them because they are supposed to be run entirely on donations. Most don't pay any rent, own property, and in fact charge rent in some cases.

    Beyond that, "tele" vangilists really shouldn't have needed to stop 99% of their business as nothing is stopping them from television broadcasts and raising money over the phone, internet, and mail. In fact many called on people to donate their $1200 stimulus checks, likely resulting in a windfall.
     
  11. MJ Davies

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    Further, a church can possibly be considered "essential". People often look to their church leaders in times of despair which many feel during this worldwide crisis. They shouldn't be excluded from financial help just because of their jobs/job title.
     
  12. struth

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    Not sure where you got the idea churches don't pay rent or own property....of course if tehy own property and lease it they can charge rent.

    Many churches couldn't get donations since people were out of work...nor could they conduct services because of social distancing rules.

    Meanwhile Planned Parenthood was able to remain open and conduct services...why did they need the loans?
     
  13. MJ Davies

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    Yep. There was a big hoopla over people being arrested during an outside service in which they were each in their own vehicles. I'm sure that caused other church leaders to abandon efforts to congregate to encourage their own church members.
     
  14. Nunya D.

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    There are a lot of churches that do rent....or at least rent the property. I know of 3 in my county that do this.....though I do agree that most own the building and land outright. Even so, it would be improper to group all churches (of any religion) into the bag just because of how "some" or "most" operate. It would also be improper to "predict" how a company would go about their business. Do I agree with the mega churches getting the loan? Not at all. However, to exclude them would be problematic. Also, this is not money just given to them. It is a loan that is required to be paid back unless they meet some criteria.
     
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    I'd like to express my personal gratitude that decisions like this aren't up to you.
     
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    So you would deny a woman's shelter the ability to pay its employees and keep its doors open at a time when domestic violence is spiking during the virus.
     
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    Planned Parenrhood clinics were shuttered, thus the need for PPP. Televangelist had to close some gift shops.
     
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    Sorry for the confusion. Churches own property and charge rents. They generally do not pay rent.
     
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    sure...ok they own properly. so?
     
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    And that has what to do what a woman's shelter that you said you would push to the back of the bus when they are needed most? You probably just didn't read what I wrote I guess.
     
  21. MissingMayor

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    PPP was supposed to support businesses that were shut down. A woman's shelter would likely get federal / state funding under a different program to help them stay open safely.
     
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    It is an example of a non-profit with employees that are hurt and burdened by the virus. There are numerous non-profits that are desperately needed at this time and being hurt by the current crisis and the PPP specifically provides loan assistance to them just as it does to other businesses. Not sure why you have such hostility toward non-profits that are providing valuable services to our communities in this time of need.
     
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    Why would they get free loans? Their members still tithe from home!
     
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    Not all churches have tithes and there is no way of knowing how much money will come in from members. Bills have to paid regardless.
     
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    What denomination?

    Every church I ever attended had tithes. Its how the church is financed.

    These televangelists get money from members and wheedling it from people on TV.
     
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