A number that should terrify every Republican on the ballot this fall

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    But the President was and is responsible that the virus entered the USA so massive ... Why?

    Well ... If a POTUS, means Trump, actually impose on federal level an entry ban on China due for corona protection of American people at a very early stage and also with reason, then you should actually close the door to China and not leave the back door wide open in reality!

    It's OK that tens of thousands American citizens from China can still came back through this back door, including the owners of a corresponding green card ...
    But if you do not make any check at the back door ... that is, the US airports where these people entered the USA ... whether they have a fever or show symptoms and then do not put a single one in quarantine until the person is tested negative ... then is not only no wonderng about the Virius entry possible, buth also is the person to blame for it who did not order these controls!

    And this person is ... drum roll ... in the last instance of all levels the POTUS because all border controls in the USA are a matter of customs and border control and that is only a federal matter under US law where decisions and orders are made by the federal level like the ban order is!
     
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    No he wasn't and isn't. Our system of government lent itself to a fast spread, we limit the power of those in power. The people that came back were not Chinese citizens, they were Americans coming home as the world locked down. Home is where they should be.
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    "I credit Trump for things good and blame everyone else for all things bad."

    This virus did not just affect America. It affected a whole lot of other countries, many of whom were hit incredibly hard as well. And yet many of those countries were able to react appropriately and their economies are doing much better. Case in point:

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    I don't approve of voter suppression.
     
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    I am for it when it is used against incompetent and/or unqualified people.
     
  7. Mandelus

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    Ehm .... WHAT??? Are you kidding now?

    For Federal isues is in the least asode Congress and Senate the President of the United States responsible.
    The President is allowed by US law to order a entry ban at US borders for people of a country sue to several reasons ... and Trump did this order, correct?
    Yes, it it: This order was announced on January 31, 2020 and justified with the point "health emergency" ... which is also completely legitimate.
    The exception was explicitly all US citizens returning from China and such people with a valid Green Card ... which is also completely legitimate and correct, because what should they stay in China as you say.


    At the end of the chain of command, the CinC for the US Customs Service and Border Control is the President of the United States (previously the Ministries, Homeland, etc.). So in the end it is only the US President who is responsible for which orders, rules etc. this authorities receive and which one is implement. One of them to these authorities was the entry ban of January 31, 2020 itself, because who prevents chinese citizenzs to enter after this order in the airports etc., eh? US Customs Servie and Border Control!

    And if you then neglect that all Americans and green card holders who came back from Chine ... we are talking about some tens of thousands of people ... when entering China from the United States are examined whether they are infected with Corona or not ... who the hell is ultimately responsible as the highest employer, eh?
     
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    There are many reasons that the easing can be so advanced outside the US asl shown above ... I mean reasons that show what is different in the US and above all wrong in comparison?

    This makes the situation there so much better than with the US ... e.g. there was and still is a mask requirement and there were only a few unimportant idiots who wrongly saw their constitutional freedom reduced and other BS ... and woe if you don't wear a mask! In shops and supermarkets and everywhere else there is "mask on" shield, because otherwise you will be thrown out without a mask or you won't even get in.
    The same with all other things, e.g. at work or on buses, in subways etc. with only a few exceptions.
    And if the police catch you somewhere that you do not comply with the obligation to wear a mask or do not comply with assembly bans or social distancing and refuse, then it will be really expensive for you. There is a mask requirement at work and if you don't stick to it, you will be fired! And if employers say "to hell with the masks" and the authorities are aware of it, the company is closed and there is a fine that hurts.
    And the vast majority of the population here accepts that ... without fooling around.
     
  9. James Knapp

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    Isn't it quite typical in American politics for a President in his second term to lose the House and Senate?
     
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    Yes. It's something of an aberration if it doesn't happen.
     
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    The only way that Republicans can protect themselves and a rogue president is to suppress the votes of minorities.
     
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    Especially when that President is deeply unpopular.
     
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    I suppose it's the way it was intended. I was quite shocked to notice that only 2 Presidents since the 60s haven't won a second term and in that time only GW Bush has kept the House and Senate (I'm guessing due to Iraq war).
     
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    I uphold your right to misinformed opinion on the matter but it does not alter any of the FACTS.
     
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    2006 never happened as far as Benedict Donald's supporters are concerned? :eek:

    FACTS matter!
     
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    He did lock the country down and shut down the economy. Americans came home as they should have. What China did was turned this crap loose on the world, for them to check immigrants at the peak of the event is pointless. The virus was already there going the other way.
     
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    Sorry, can you elaborate?
     
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    I doubt it. The most industrious among them are Republicans. The ones that would vote Democrat do not as they cannot stir themselves to even get a photo ID, let alone show up to actual voting places and, y'know, vote. No need to suppress: just make sure the election isn't stolen.
    Interesting, earlier someone posted that majority non-white districts are much more likely to have long waiting lines to vote. A failure of government. My bet: the government of these districts is Democrat.
     
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    ...but you will do it anyway. :)
     
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    Can you name a city in which every citizen belongs to the same party?
     
  21. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Nope. I have refrained from predicting the outcome of the 2020 election.
     
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    Retire this lame excuse, mmm 'kay?

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    If Romney fought like Trump does, he would have won, but Willard is a thin-skinned marshmallow.

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    You made the following erroneous allegation;


    He LOST both the House and Senate in 2006.
     
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    That is completely and utterly FALSE and I defy you to provide credible NONPARTISAN substantiation for your totally BOGUS allegation!
     

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