Nazi-style rule in Hong Kong; Pro-democracy books pulled from libraries by China

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Racist also oppress common people. Doesn't make them communists.
    It's just utterly dumb to go name calling it incorrectly.
    Every toddler is able to fling mud like that.

    That's incorrect. He made it so that he can be reelected. Loads of democratic countries work like that. Merkel has been governing since 2005 because she got elected 4 times in a row. Her term ends in 2021 I think. The Dutch 1st minister is on his 3rd term, probably going for a 4th as well. That a country like the US put a limit on what the will of the people is, is odd.
     
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    Scamander Well-Known Member

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    I put re-elected in brackets. Obviously Putin wasn't re-elected. He has bent the rules so he can be re-elected without an actual election.
    The Russian people have no say in his appointment.

    You question term limits of the American President?
    I will not use Trump as an example why this is a bad idea, because that is like kicking in an open door.

    Look how territorial aggressive China has become since Xi Jinping was installed for life. Hong Kong is the latest victim.

    You idea is that, if I were an American, I should shut up and accept Trump (or whoever) as President for life?
    That is not how a democracy should work.

    People, and the people only, should have a say in who they want for their leader and who not. Not once but always, for THAT is the democratic way.
     
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    The US has never had royals and the idea of limits is to prevent a President from acquiring royal power and status. Should include Congress too though.
     
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    You mean democrats, not America.

    And China isn't being "Nazi", they are communists.
     
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    I saw this coming, last year; China has simply used the protests as a reason to invade Hong Kong. (While obviously ignoring the true reasons for the protests.)
     
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    However, you should be careful with all these things that it does not become hypocritical.
    Everything that is accused here of Russia, China, Iran and others, the United States mostly did the same or still do today. Example:
    Russia is so bad because it supports the bastard Assad in Syria? Seriously?
    Sure, that's a bastard, but if you're playing now an American morale apostle, you should keep in mind that you have supported a bunch of similar bastards and some still support them today. You should always keep that in mind ... ;-)
     
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    it doesn't matter the true reason, CCP wont tolerate any challenge to their authority such as democratic movement. if HK protest smartly like many main land chinese doing, they might get some concession. From a weaker position, and going head strong is not gonna end well. Each year china has about 100,000 protest, almost all doing it smartly, and usually can get some concession from the government.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...stable-despite-500-protests-every-day/250940/
     
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    This rhetoric doesn't add up.

    You suggest Hong Kong should seek concessions from China?
    But this is exactly why the protests happened in the first place... Hong Kong doesn't want to be half-half ruled by China.
    And EVEN WITHOUT the protests china would have, eventually, introduced their presence in Hong Kong.
    This was always China's plan, ever since the 1997 handover.

    You can't win with China.

    As Churchill said;
    'You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth!'

    And the Chinese endgame here is not just to introduce some harsh laws on the people of Kong Kong.
    The aim is to subject HK people to Chinese cultural indoctrination.
    Turn them into ''1984 brainless droids''. Like on the mainland.

    The people of Hong Kong who still can leave, should leave, asap.

    Before China puts a stop to it.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Chinese Communist Party is destroying books - Democrats are destroying statues. Both parties wish to erase history in order to accomplish the goal of instilling totalitarian government rule. No liberty , no free choice .
    ~ China will certainly do the same with Taiwan. I wonder if all this will lead to war ... ?
     
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  10. s002wjh

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    i suggest the protestor play smart, dont go ran sack govt building and burn the flag, ccp wont tolerate that, that will throw of the negotiation off the table.
    china mostly leave HK along for the past few decades(their own law, monetary policy, no extradition with china etc etc), but china wont tolerate direct challenge to CCP such as independent movement(dont think any nation will).
    there are plenty protest in china, some did get what they want as long as they protest smartly. so the protestor can either do that or not at all or simply leave the city to other place. HK never had election, so china is not suddently give to it. the original protest start it after the extradition law HK govt proposed, later HK govt retract after the protest, so the protest already win that part, pushing it forward is not gonna end well as they are in a weaker state. know when to fight, and when to retreat. They just charge forward without given too much thought. furthermore HK marginalized mainlander recent year, which is counter productive when they need more chinese support on this.
     

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