Hey Suburban Voters, Joe Biden's Housing Policies Will Ruin Your Communities

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  1. Zorro

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    IF YOU LIKE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD: Hey Suburban Voters, Joe Biden’s Housing Policies Will Ruin Your Communities.

    The 2020 election will be won or lost in the suburbs.

    Joe Biden has signed on to a plan that will take local control away from community planning using federal funding as leverage.

    An Obama-era regulation will be weaponized in a significant way if Democrats gain power. The regulation will lead to considerable wealth redistribution.

    Their goal is to put all community planning in the hands of the federal government. They, not the local city councils and county officials, will determine the zoning laws that govern suburban communities to achieve their progressive vision of equity and environmental policies.

    That would be more than enough to end America’s suburbs as we’ve known them.

    Biden has embraced Cory Booker’s strategy for ending single-family zoning in the suburbs and creating “downtowns” in the suburbs. Suburbs wouldn't retain their ability to govern themselves. It will mean the end of local control, the end of a style of living that many people prefer to the city, and therefore the end of meaningful choice in how Americans can live.

    Voters need to know what’s at stake in the election.
     
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    Joe Biden has a policy? When did this happen? Does he know?
     
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    Do you have a source for his position on suburban housing? This is from his website: https://joebiden.com/housing/. I'm still reading it but haven't run across anything specifically about suburbs.
     
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    Democrats love their big government telling them what to do and how to do it.
     
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    ~ More scary communist stuff from Democrats. Reminds me of China .
     
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    That looks like a quote. You're supposed to put it in quotes and provide a link.

    Needless to say, it's wrong.

    Local zoning policies always drive up prices. That benefits the well off, and locks many out of owning a home, or even finding an apartment that doesn't eat their paycheck alive.

    Trump talks blue collar, but his policies mostly benefit the well off, esp. the rich. That's the real story here.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...egate-the-suburbs-naturally-trump-is-furious/
     
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    "If you got a problem figuring out whether you're for me or for Trump then you ain't Black."
     
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    I'll be honest with you, I was dreading this campaign.

    But, to be honest, I've never enjoyed any campaign nearly as much as this one.

    Flail blindly, please. (Not that you have a choice)
     
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    BIDEN IS SENDING TEH BLACKS TO YOUR SUBURB BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID!

    Since the Trump campaign has gone to this all-race-baiting strategy, Biden's national lead has risen from about +4 to +10.

    In response, the Trump campaign is escalating the race-baiting. As someone said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
     
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    Social engineering never pans out well. The road to good intentions is paved with devastated cities and neighborhoods.
     
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    The hyperlink is at the top of post.
    No it isn't.
     
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    You see, you could elaborate on your thoughts, or counter mine.

    Just saying no doesn't cut it.

    "One of the country’s biggest housing challenges, especially in high-cost cities and wealthy suburbs, is local zoning policies that make it impossible to build enough housing to meet demand.."

    The only surprising thing to me is that someone actually tried to help the little guy. It sure as hell wasn't Trump.
     
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    They protect property values, the tax base, and help insure quality of life. Define "well off".
     
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    ~ I do believe anyone who owns a home is considered by some to be "well off" . :confuse:´?
     
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    Huh.

    Owners v renters... Owners get city government to restrict construction to keep demand higher than supply, driving rents up.

    That's not protecting property value, it's using government to exploit most people in a city.
     
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    ~ Usually it's the opposite. Owners get local government to zone for multi-unit residential or multi-use so they can build. We need more housing - not less. Cities like the increase in taxes .
     
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    LOL, it seems they're quite a lot of folks who think this election is about policy. Perhaps it is to Republicans and Democrats, but not necessarily independents. This election for them, the swing voters, the non-affiliated focuses on Trump personality, his unique in your face persona. It's a question of how much they dislike the man, the individual, Trump himself, his very unpresidential behavior than policy. Trump is a very easy man to dislike mainly because of his antics, his throwing of temper tantrums and name calling that is completely beneath the office and dignity of the president.

    Keep harping on policy, I don't think it will do much good, especially among independents. Question 94. Trump Likability Regardless of whether you agree with him, do you like or dislike Donald Trump as a person? 8% of independents like Trump a lot, 12% like him somewhat, total likes 20%. But 37% of independents dislike Trump a lot, 6% dislike him somewhat, total dislike Trump as a person among independents, 43%. More than double those who like Trump.

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/k05rp8ded6/econTabReport.pdf

    Why is this important, folks usually don't vote for someone they dislike.
     
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    Do people like Biden?
    I think America has matured and votes policy now not who they want to have a beer with. I myself find Trump the person annoying but Trump policies have my full support and my vote.
     
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    Through zoning? That's absurd, they INCREASE residential housing when they build and yes zoning protects MY property value and quality of life which brings in NEW residents and expands the tax base/. Look at all the failed liberal run cities what do they have in common, they destroyed their tax base.
     
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    It's one of those things we call a fact.

    "So, which is it? Are government regulations making it impossible to build new homes, or are developers price gouging homebuyers and renters? Who really pockets the profits from building—or not building—new housing?

    In this piece, I lay out some basic facts about the financial ecosystem of housing development, and discuss the ways land use regulations affect development decisions.

    While there is an abundance of academic research on how land use regulations affect housing prices and production, we know much less about how regulations affect capital flows behind the development and acquisition of housing.

    Below, I suggest three potential ways that local regulations could affect capital market investment in housing. More empirical research on these factors would be helpful to policymakers.

    State and local policymakers across the U.S. are grappling with how to make housing more affordable. But because our housing production system is so complicated, it’s difficult to even reach a shared understanding of the problem. Making the development process simpler, shorter, and more transparent would be a good start."



    https://www.brookings.edu/research/...ng-costs-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/
     
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    I was referring to independents who don't pay much attention at all to politics or the workings going on in Washington. You won't find many independents on political sites like this one. They're too busy taking care of family, rooting for their favorite sports team, watching their favorite TV show and not paying much attention to politics. To a lot of these swing voters, the non-affiliated they don't really tune in politics until a few weeks prior to an election. Let's face it, if you're an independents, you don't have a horse in this race. Republicans and Democrats do, you're a free agent. You're not tied to either party although quite a lot of indies lean toward one party or the other.

    To most independents, the presidential election is more like a beauty pageant. However they make up their minds, it is usually based on their own perspectives, how they feel about the candidates, their likes and dislikes. These independents can swing wildly from one party to another from one election to the next. An example of this is they voted for Trump 46-42 over Hillary with 12% voting against both Hillary and Trump by casting a vote for an unknown third party candidate. Then in 2018, independents switched to the democrats voting for Democratic congressional candidates 54-42 of GOP congressional candidates. Needless to say, a lot of independents are finicky.

    Who will independents support in 2020? That may depend on the 12% who were really, really disgusted with both Trump and Hillary Clinton back in 2016 who voted third party. These 12% probably still detest Trump, but what is unknown is their feelings toward Biden. It may be that Biden means little to these 12%. They may be more against Trump as in 2016 than for or against Biden. We don't know. But this election this year is a referendum on Trump, not so much on Biden.

    The bottom line is the Republican Party is still the smaller of the two major parties. Trump and company must win the independent vote or lose the election. Democrats just have to keep it close. They managed that in 2016, Trump won indies by 4 Points, but still finished 2 points behind in the popular vote. Trump was elected via the electoral college which was enough. To win the national popular vote Trump must win independents by 6 or more points.

    In the three deciding states in 2016, independents provided the ever so slight margin of victory, in all three states Democrats outnumber Republicans. Trump won independents in Wisconsin 50-40 with 10% voting third party, he won Independents in Pennsylvania 48-41 and in Michigan 52-35. Trump won Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by 7/10th's of a single point, he won Michigan by just 2/10th's of a single point. So Trump must repeat those independent voter results there which I don't think is possible. Basically due to the number of independent voters who now dislike him. Biden isn't as disliked by independents as Hillary was. It will be very tough.
     
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    No worres.

    Biden WILL WIN The Suburbs and Trump is Toast.

    In any event, the RW's Chicken Little Routine (aimed at Suburban Voters) is a Non-Starter that has already fallen flat.
     
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    Because, in my experience, in most places zoning screws the little guy.
     
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