What's up with the push to re-open schools?

This is pure conjecture. The reason they don't know if kids spread it, is because we aren't really testing kids.

So, do kids transmit the disease? Maybe, maybe not. Don't spread falsehoods.

 

I dunno about that last part. It is their job, the little buggers, to bring it home to the folks. Been there many times.

 

It is not conjecture - you have no clue what you are talking about - and I did not say kids do not transmit the disease.

 

Betsy DeVos wants to cut off federal funds for any school not reopening. I say good. If the local school wants to emulate the conservative giant Hillsdale College and accept no federal money, then by all means let them.

 

While normally being great and disease transmission - apparently this is not the case with covid.

 

Wouldn't know. It's been years since ours left to go infect their own.

 

You certainly indicated that it's okay for the petrie dishes that are our schools, are fine to open, because kids don't get it and don't transmit it. If that's not what you meant, then you shouldn't have said it.

So, we agree. It's very dangerous to open schools when cases are rising like crazy and we don't know enough about it to say that kids aren't carriers.

 

Schools shouldn't be under the fed anyway, but that's an entirely different conversation.

While we have such funds, they should never be conditional on something serious like not wanting to open because it's dangerous and irresponsible to do so.

Devos: If you refuse to endanger lives, we won't pay for your school. LOL - what a nightmare that woman is.

 

Well, we don't know. That's not at all the same as it not happening. We aren't testing kids, so how do we know if they are transmitting it?

 

You are positing this black vs white paradigm that has no basis in reality. Kids do get it - just at a much lower rate - and when they do get it - they almost never have significant symptoms ..and they do not seem to transmit the disease as easily due to a decreased (30% was the figure I heard) population of the virus's - which matters. It is not like getting one virus means you will get corona - and have symptoms. You need many.

Bottom line - kids do not seem to be the best hosts for this virus - and when they do get it - nothing happens .. sans the 1 in 300,000 that dies of a bee sting .- just happened to have the wrong chemistry .. point being - it is very rare.

You seem to be arguing from the position of "If it saves one life" anything is justified - and that is not what we are trying to do here -as such a position will cost lives - not save them. If you would like the technical term - "Fallacious Utilitarianism" - is the basis of your argument.

The danger of opening schools varies depending on the level of the disease in the area - If the curve has flattened - opening schools is the best place to start for a myriad of economic reasons .. and because the risk is very low.

In most places the thing is contained .. so when you have figured out the distinction between "contained" to the point of being able to open schools - and "not contained" - full lockdown in effect - then we can start to have a serious conversation.

 

Seems like we agree more than not, on this. Note, for the record, I am a nuanced person and rarely see important issues in terms of black/white.

The reason we have so little knowledge about if/how kids transmit COVID, is because we haven't tested kids, much, at all. There's no way to know if they spread it if we don't know if they have it.

A black/white solution is what the WH is proposing, not I. Florida cases are now close to 10K new/day, which is off the charts for us compared to where we've been from March - June. We will NOT be sending the kid to school. Other areas may be fine to open. I think it should be a local decision.

That's not what Trump or Devos want.

 

Too effing bad. She has no authority to do so based on school districts acting in the best health interests of the kids, the teachers, the staff, and the parents.

 

OK but - you did not address the key distinction.

Further - we do have a fair bit of knowledge about how kids are affected by - and transmit the disease - completely without scientific biological knowledge. We have statistics. "But we havn't tested enough" - which only makes the statistics more favorable to opening schools in some locations - as per the key distinction you have yet to address.

If we assume - which I do - that way more people have contracted covid - and were not tested -than those that have been tested - which is almost always due to someone having some symptom.

and we look at the rate of hospitalization and/or Death - and say you have 1 kid per 100,000 - not much death happening to kids here.

That way more people have contracted covid than we know - only makes that number lower / decreases its significance.

I don't really think Trump is making any key decisions at this point - mostly doing what his handlers are telling him internally - and voicing political bluster on the outside - some of which is true. We really do need to get the economy going - or more people will due to economic issues than from Covid.

 

Please cite the studies. I've read a few, and they all say the basic same thing - we don't think they do, but until we test more of them, there is no way to know. If you have some evidence that we know they don't, I'm open. I'm always willing to have my beliefs challenged - it's a byproduct of not being married to a single ideology based on a letter, color and animal.

 

What studies are you referring to - what would you like proven What belief would you like challenged.

1) What is the distinction I asked you to address ? - When to lock down and when to open up. What degree of curve flattening justifies opening up to kids specifically - and to the broader economy generally - how many models do you think there are working on this problem - ?

2) we have tons of evidence - we have statistics from hundreds of nations - each an individual case study.

3) and that information is what you feed into the models.

4) what you also feed in is the estimate of the number of people who will die from economic issues - which increase the longer we keep locked down.

 

That made me laugh.

Same here. Ex is in the airline business. EVERY year, without fail, all of us got sick around the holidays. The reason - international travelers and out-of-state travelers bringing their germs for which we have no immunity. We were ALWAYS sick every holiday season.

 

Looks like shutting down businesses is a Democrat thing

 

"What's up with the push to re-open schools?"

Trump was told people could not return to work because they needed to care for their children.... the next day Trump wanted schools reopened

Trump is not offering addl funding for schools, or any plan for them to reopen

 

you referring to trump's 30 day shutdown



"*** In states with evidence of community transmission, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate should be closed."

"The President's CoronaVirus Guidelines for America"

"30 days to slow the spread"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf

 

What's up with the push to re-open schools? The Dems need another lock down to promote mail in voting fraud and Covid 19 is in decline. By opening schools they'll be denied a lockdown when no one gets sick.

 

Airborne transmission of coronavirus in restaurants, gyms and other closed spaces can’t be ruled out, WHO says
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/air...closed-spaces-cant-be-ruled-out-who-says.html

Other closed spaces like............wait for it.............schools.

 

The following states are not fully open either: FL, TX, AL, AZ, IA, MD, NE, SC

 

You must have missed the common sense answer. If they aren't operating they don't need the money. This kind of thing is the price we pay for allowing federal funds to go to state and local governments.

 

Sigh.

You keep telling me that kids don't transmit to adults. I want to see your source.

I also said these decisions should be LOCAL, not mandated by Betsy Devos and President Trump. How can Betsy Devos possibly be qualified to state with certainty that it's safe to open schools in Broward County, FL or Dekalb County, IL?

I hate dictates from the federal government about decisions that should be made locally, based on local data.

Things are fine in Germany, so let's open up all the schools in the US. Huh?

 

I did not say kids do not transmit to adults -