Supreme Court splits on Trump tax cases, potentially shielding returns until after election

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  1. NoLongerDem

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    Yup. https://www.dos.ny.gov/coog/foil2.html

    The judge can order records sealed but even if that occurs, it wouldn't be permanent. I'm not sure the public will see Trump's financials until he's six feet under but the public WILL see them sometime.
     
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    The GOP-dominated Senate gives Donnie a pass on all of his misdeeds, so why would they subpoena his financial records? He owns them.
     
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    If anyone on the right could have found legal cause to subpoena Obama's student records, they would have. And he would have complied, or would have to show a reason why he should not have to. That's what this was about: Trump did not want to comply with a subpoena and took it all the way to the Supreme Court. He lost.
     
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    It sounds like you're familiar with the movie "Wag the Dog."
     
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    Given the obvious hostility the other side has for him, I don't blame him. Our tax system is already way out of control and as much as you would like to see it used as a weapon against Trump, the abuse of power will be there long after Trump is gone.

    BTW, there are more tax laws than you can read in a lifetime. Like every other American, you have committed several federal crimes without knowing. Should you become politically inconvenient for someone in power, that beast you are cheering for will come after you.
     
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    Great. So having them in public clears the way for future investigation of his illegal personal graft from his relationships with both the Ukraine and China, and everyone else he didn't list as income for on his taxes. That should make Barr's job pretty simple. Good to know.
     
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    Do you care whether or not he's a crook?

    The New York court, who's subpoena Trump must now comply with, is not asking for Trump's personal tax returns. They are investigating his businesses, and the subpoena is for the business tax records, as well as bank records and information from his accounting firm.
     
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    We don't? Obama et al used the IRS to do exactly this, or did you forget? You lack of knowledge here and your willingness to sound authoritative seems familiar...
     
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    Hmm.. you clearly don't know the IRS or their process.
     
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    I have to disagree. Previous crooks were charismatic and likable. Based on results, he is slightly less of a crook than the other side. Living in CA, I can see why people support Trump in spite of his skeletons.
     
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    Look.... up in the sky.... It's MEME MAN....

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    Sigh ... it seems very few on this forum understand what happened. The decision that went against Trump was not about his personal taxes. See #207.

    As for IRS audit results, they don't publish those. If an audit finds irregularities indicating that you owe more taxes, they send you a certified letter with those details and a bill for the taxes plus interest and penalties. If you pay, nothing else happens.
     
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    translation: the truth upset me
     
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    I disagree, I don't believe one can just request private documents under FOIA. Do you think that anybody's tax filings are available, let's say in a divorce, that you could obtain sensitive personal information on an individual? This seems to uphold my opinion. https://reason.com/2018/12/19/you-cant-use-foia-to-get-someones-tax-re/
     
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    Actually, if the grand jury indicts, and Trump's business financials become part of the court record, a FOIA request by anyone will make those records public, unless a judge seals them, in which case they won't be public for a specified number of years.
     
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    So it isn't about something they know happened, that involved Trump. It's about Trump, and we need to find something we can prosecute. Why didn't you just say so?

    My personal dealings with the State of NY pretty much tell me that they will pursue an unpaid parking ticket.
     
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    Two decisions were handed down.

    The first was Trump's lawyers fighting to keep a New York prosecutor's grand jury from subpoenaing his businesses' financial records. He list that one, so now he can either refile his objection to that subpoena in a more comprehensive manner, or he can turn tjose records over, including telling his bookkeepers to release their documents.

    The second was about the various subpoenas from congress. In that case, SCOTUS ruled that their requests were too broad, and they would have to rewrite the subponas with details of why they need specific documents.
     
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    In the case of Congress, it's about developing legislation that attempts to prevent another do*uchebag from doing what Trump has done.

    In the case of NY, it's about pursuing Individual 1

    How is this not crystal clear after the past 2 years?
     
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    As I understand it, a judge can seal certain documents that are part of a court case, but only for a certain number of years, after which a FOIA request would be honored.
     
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    maybe you misunderstood the ruling...trump doesn’t have to turn anything over yet...
     
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    FOIA is not required for Court files. Court files generally are public. When docs are sealed, they are sealed until a motion is granted to unseal them
     
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    What has Trump done? I know he's been accused of a number of things, but nothing yet that has been validated.
     
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    How very patronizing of you.

    If that's a forum rule, the mods have never notified me on any of the threads I've started. If you are certain that I've violated forum rules, please report me.
     
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    what has he done?

    that’s sort of the issue...that both the circuit and supreme court had...they smelled a political fishing hoax. they correctly called out vance and the dems for it.
     
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    May be honored. https://www.foia.gov/faq.html
     

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