Transcript of George Floyd's murder prove that he was cooperating

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The prosecutors would have shown videos of him unconscious in the car at the steering wheel in the Wendy's drive through. . They would have shows the results of the sobriety tests. A jury would have concluded that he drove drunk to get to that location unless he could have come up with some other logical explanation.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bogus. More likely Floyd was starting to recognize something wasn't right with his body and couldn't or wouldn't try to explain it to the cops after all he'd spent his life as a career criminal believing cops were the enemy. Nothing the cops did to him would have killed him had he not had a bad heart covid and fentanyl and meth in his system.

    If you really want to know who was responsible for Floyd's death find out who gave him the damn drugs.
     
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    Floyd was resisting arrest.
     
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    Would you like to add a bunch of BLM supporters in that cartoon and Democrat voters since most of the hotbeds are DEMOCRAT districts.

    Whoops.
     
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    for DUI there was plenty of evidence he was drunk and operating a motor vehicle. his arrest was lawful
     
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    Yes! So unreasonable to expect violent drunks to listen to cops instructions. It’s completely normal to pass out in a Wendy’s drive through, NOT a parking space like certain media outlets were implying. It’s unreasonable also to expect them to go quietly.

    Floyd was NOT justified but there is NO WAY he wouod have been on the ground with a knee on his neck if he simply sat in the ****ing car and accepted that he was being arrested. But who knows what was going through his head with that many drugs
    In his system. Yes the cop technically killed him but HIS DECISIONS put himself into that situation in the first place. Countless people are arrested every day without incident.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure what point you are trying to make. You just have to see the video to know he was cooperating. Sounds like more race baiting to me.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Of course it's lawful. That's why it's called "institutional racism". And that's exactly the point: it should not be.
     
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    Transcript of George Floyd's murder prove that he was cooperating

    If true then he discovered a way to cooperate in such a way that it enraged a cop to the point of committing murder.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's unreasonable to arrest them just because they're black, while we know that this would have been less likely if he had been white.

    The cop didn't "technically" kill him. He murdered the guy! Say it! You won't turn into stone just for stating a fact that Trump, your leader and guiding light, wouldn't like to hear.

    Yes. But you're less likely to be that lucky if you're black.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    And that's the problem. Too many cops think that making them angry is reason enough to murder people. Especially if they're not white.

    It's clear that cops don't know how to handle these situations. This is why funding for the police must be revised so there are people available who do. Many lives will be saved. Maybe with time cops might learn to deal with it properly themselves... who knows.... But right now they are not equipped or trained to. And it's not just a matter of re-training. The whole mental state in many police precincts (not all) is toxic.
     
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    Yeah, how dare that cop want to arrest him for being drunk behind the wheel!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You keep ignoring very important facts. According to a San Francisco study, blacks are much more likely to resist arrest. In both the Floyd and Wendy's killing, they both resisted arrest.
    Many more lives would be saved, if such people as Kaepernick and other black leaders did not encourage hate for the cops and resisting arrest.

    BLM is encouraging just the opposite. They want to defund the cops at the same time others are recommending a better quality of cop and more training. It is impossible to do both.

    As I have said numerous times, you could not pay me enough to be a cop. Doing what they think is the best under difficult circumstances can easily end up with the cop in prison or dead.
     
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    As usual absurd unsubstantiated drivel that either of these men were arrested because they were black. Your premise is a racist joke. Whites don’t resist arrest as often. Whites don’t commit as much crime per capita. So math proves why blacks are arrested more often.

    I’ll wait for the case to be compete before using the term murder. Murder means he meant to kill him. More Blacks murder police every year than the other way around, but who cares about facts.
     
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    Hyperbolic. We are talking about one cop.

    Super hyperbolic. Let's keep in mind that last year there were only 9 unarmed blacks killed by police out of 10 million arrests. It is an extremely rare occurrence. You just can't make it universal.
     
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    Just made that up out of whole cloth ... did ya.
    Howz about the George Orwell principle of - 1984 -.
    Make way for a dystopian society ... folks.
    I mean,it beats Making America Great for the Commies among
    us.
     
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    it’s racist to arrest drunk drivers?
     
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    Yeah... it's right there on the Constitution: "Any black person behind the wheel of a parked car shall be shot"

    Anyway... I see right-wingers changing the subject from the topic of this thread. Which was about how the transcript shows that Floyd was cooperating but in a panic of being killed. And, as it turned out, his panic was justified.
     
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    I ignore nothing. You quote an anonymous study. But I have no doubt that is probably so. Because they are more likely to be arrested. And also more likely to die in the hands of the police.

    I doubt very much that if this guy had been white he would have even been arrested in the first place.

    What BLM is demanding is possible. But you show no references, so I have no idea if we're talking about the same thing.
     
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    He was not cooperating. You can't cooperate and resist at the same time.

    The panic got him killed, if that is genuinely what it was. He claimed he was claustrophobic and that was why he was resisting getting in the police car. He arrived at that location in a car.

    He may have been genuinely afraid of the police and he may have been in a panic, but he was still resisting. In order to arrest him and transport him to jail, he had to be put in a car. Also, drugs in his system most likely contributed to his resisting.

    He should not have been held down with a neck on his knee, but for the umpteenth time, the way to avoid these confrontation which end badly is to not resist. They can get a new police force and they can train them more than they are training them now, but they will still have the same problem. It will be necessary to arrest people and if they resist, it results in confrontation which can easily escalate into either the suspect or the cop getting badly hurt or killed.
     
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    According to the San Francisco study, a black person is eight times more likely to resist arrest than a white person.
    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/African-Americans-cited-for-resisting-arrest-at-6229946.php
    When people, black or white, are suspected of passing bad checks, they get arrested. It is not as if a cop just saw a black person in a car and arrested him.
    Just use a bit of logic. How are you going to be more selective in the cop you hire without paying them more? More training costs more money. You cannot reduce the budget and get a better quality cop. It is counter intuitive.

    Be sure and let us know how the BLM position is supposed to work.
     
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    They weren't taking him to jail, they had called an ambulance because they thought he was in excited delirum. Restraining such a person face down and causing mechanical asphyxiation by pressing on his carotid with the knee as you see Chauvin do is guaranteed to kill them. That's why they're trained not to do what they did. Hence why the other cop mentioned that. And Chauvin didn't care.
    = Murder.
     
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    They first tried to put him in a police car. That is when he started resisting.
     
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    We all seen the tapes countless times and it would seem to me that he had been fairly well subdued five minutes before he died. Why was it necessary to kill him?
     

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