Transcript of George Floyd's murder prove that he was cooperating

So what? He's not an imminent threat to life and limb of the public or the officers, they know he's likely on something, they have been trained not to put such a person in the exact position they put him in for fear of the exact reaction he had. 2 cops bring it up, Chauvin overrules them. Those 2 cops should've relieved him right there or decided the two of them were going to flip him and Chauvin could call their LT and explain how he wanted them reprimanded for following ****ing training and avoiding the very public death of a suspect. Chauvin and the others putting him on the ground in that position is excessive force. That's a felony. A man is dead because of that felony. That's felony murder which in MN is murder 2.

Bleeding from the mouth because he bumped his head while they struggle with him. Shut. The. Door. Certainly don't drag out someone you found either a crack or meth pipe on, put them face down with your knee on their carotid and their hands and legs restrained and then sit there for 10 ****ing minutes including time when you KNEW he had lost vitals. That's excessive force leading to death IE murder.

Doesn't seem so? He LITERALLY orders them to do it and you quote that ****. He's the senior in command of the scene. When he talks? That's an order. That's him DIRECTING them and when they follow? That's them acquiescing to what they KNOW to be an unlawful order because as they point out to him TWICE they have been trained not to do this because it KILLS people with the same facts as they have at the scene for floyd IE found him with a pipe and he's acting weird.

Prodding is a shove, yes. You strike out with a limb and push with some force, such to be noticed by changing the physical perceptions of the person effected by literally moving them by some degree minor or major. If you don't believe me, prod a cop sometime and see what you get charged with.

 

BTW, you're talking BS. Floyd did not pass a bad check.

But it's interesting to see how Trump fanatics desperately make up crap as they go to defend a narrative they think favors their leader's narrative. And they don't bother to research even the most basic facts. It's "the Trump way"

 

IF YOU WOULDN'T DISINGENUOUSLY CUT THE QUOTES YOU'D SEE WHAT MY POINT WAS THERE BUT AHHHH CAPS ATTACK OMGZORGS!

See how silly that is?

 

You are right. It was only a counterfeit bill.

Yep. I remembered wrong. Passing a counterfeit bill is even worse.

 

Just about every post I have made, they ignore my point and then bring up that Floyd's killing was not justified. That has already been resolved. My one and only point has been that Floyd resisted arrest. That almost always results in a confrontation which frequently ends up in someone being killed.

The point is "Don't resist".

 

The problem being that his level of resistance didn't merit the amount of force they responded with, constituting a crime on their part that rose to the level of a felony. If that level of resistance is all you're putting up, they shouldn't be killing you for it.

 

You mentioned in an earlier post that one of the cops used the term "excited delirium". Here's a bit on that:

Although reports of patients with similar symptoms first appeared in the 19th century, the first modern mention of EXD was in 1985.3 The presentation of excited delirium occurs with a sudden onset, with symptoms of bizarre and/or aggressive behavior, shouting, paranoia, panic, violence toward others, unexpected physical strength and hyperthermia. An extensive review of reported case series reveals that in a majority of cases EXD was precipitated by stimulant drug use and in much fewer cases psychiatric illness (such as mania, depression, or schizophrenia) or systemic illness.7–9 Methamphetamine, PCP and LSD have been reported in a few series, but by far the most prevalent drug of abuse found on toxicology screening was cocaine.10 Since the victims frequently die while being restrained or in the custody of law enforcement, there has been speculation over the years of police brutality being the underlying cause. However, it is important to note that the vast majority of deaths occur suddenly prior to capture, in the emergency department (ED), or unwitnessed at home.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3088378/

Floyd was a big guy .... 6'6", I seem to remember. In a state of excited delirium, he could be very dangerous if control measures were relaxed. You know the defense attorney will bring that up, as he should.

As for "prodding", it can be physical or verbal. Check a dictionary. Also, so far, I haven't seen a video of a "medic LITERALLY shove" Chauvin off Floyd.

 

By punching them, of course.... you just said it. It was a regular boxing match.

 

That's very decent of you...

 

The problem once they resist, it tends to elevate. Just follow orders and don't resist at all. It is a very simple concept that will save many lives.

 

No duhh, do you watch news often?

 

Too often for you to be making up crap like that and expect not to be called out.

So I hope that's a lesson to you.

 

Yeah I get it.How it works ... as in " I doubt very much " wherein every other
reply you make is Nothing But Doubt and More doubt.,Until even the
cows are getting nauseous.

 

more likely to get arrested because they were more likely to commit a crime

 

So out of my entire post, this is what you respond with? Amateurish attempt at deflection noted.

He's handcuffed and there are 3 cops sitting on him with 1 more able to jump in and kick him directly in the head if necessary. Spare us all the idea that he can somehow hop up off the ground, break out of his cuffs like superman, and start beating ass, with his hands cuffed, an officer holding his arms and chest down, another pinning his legs, and a 3rd sitting on his carotid artery with his entire weight. With a knee on your carotid artery you're being mechanically asphyxiated. This is deadly force. There is no justification for a use of deadly force which takes 10 minutes to complete and which continued after a pronouncement that 1) this was against training, twice, and 2) that all vitals were gone. Full stop.

Argue with the transcript not with me. Also: Care to address the rest of the post or did you just skim until you thought of something silly?

 

And when they demand you fellate them? Or your spouse? Or your child?
When they demand your property? When they demand free services? Etc?
The problem with your blanket rule is that orders come in two flavors: Lawful and Unlawful, and only a Court of Law decides which is which. Therefore, when someone doesn't make it to a Court of Law to have that decided because the order giver shot them or sat on their carotid artery for 10 minutes while they were restrained after ripping them out of a vehicle they were secured in unnecessarily, I tend to take a pretty dim ****ing view of that.
Additionally: When you rip a person out of a squad car to exert deadly force for 10 straight minutes on them when they had no hope of escaping you because they were already in cuffs and in the car, you've far exceeded your remit for reasonable use of force and have in fact become a murderer. A crime for which you should be severely punished as a warning to the rest.

 

It is decided in a court of law. Not in this forum.

 

So you're saying if a cop demanded to have sex with your child, you'd allow that and only seek redress in court?


Additionally: When you cut quotes like that its obvious what you're trying to avoid. Honestly man, try to use more sophisticated rhetorical techniques.

 

The subject is how blacks are treated by the police. Nearly all their lives would have been spared had they not resisted. It is not the universe of every possibility, real or imagined.

I haven't heard of any cases where a cop pulled over someone and then demanded that they have sex with their child.

Making up strawman episodes is laughable.

 

Could someone explain to me how passing a counterfeit bill is even a crime? I mean, unless it's monopoly money or has Trump's picture on it how are we supposed to know? I've always been told that if I had a bill tagged as counterfeit I would lose the bill and possibly be questioned as to how I came by it but it would be really just a friendly ride and no arrest involved.

Are you seriously suggesting that Ghetto denizens have the wherewithal to make even halfway acceptable counterfeits that they would know of nowadays? I know they can be copied but there are safeguards in the way they're made that prevent that from working at all

(To begin with, they are made of LINEN, not paper, and rather special linen at that, that's how it gets that unique "feel")

 

This is a great example of a person who had every right to resist. The officers made a mistake. Thankfully, there was no violence. But how many people experience this kind of mistake?

 

It is a crime because it is just another form of robbery. If you decide not take that "friendly ride", do you think the police should forget it?

 

You still have no right to resist. That is a crime in itself. You simply follow orders and protest it later probably even get some kind of financial settlement for illegal arrest.

 

He was not being arrested - so he wasn't resisting arrest. He was asking the officer to give him his name - should have been on the warrant if he had one. But the officer also resisted (if you insist on using that word).

I think its important to put yourself in another's shoes. Walk a mile in them. Perhaps, because of his appearance, this is not the first time he has been harassed by police. I know I wouldn't be anxious to 'comply' if this was an ongoing issue.

 

Police should not be taking part in boxing matches. If you assault a cop, assume you will be shot, as it should be. Police officers are regular people, not MMA fighters. Not to mention if the criminal is on drugs, they can be very hard to take down.