Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back

Bullcrap. People are not at their existing jobs because of the Chinese virus.

 

No? What is the proper application?

But it doesn't matter because people WILL find a way to overcome. There are barriers to making anything which is why we don't just snap our fingers and have anything we want. Overcoming barriers to making things we want is called life.

The work isn't being outsourced, it's being done by machines. It's really strange to me how conservatives are now the ones saying we need increased and more intrusive laws to protect our workers from automation.

 

But manufacturing jobs are still not plentiful

 

Err. would manufacturing jobs be plentiful if there was no Chinese virus? Ever hear of the concept of supply and demand?
There is bright news though,
I know a dozen gun and fifty or so ammunition manufacturers that are running at less than one quarter speed that could be doing overtime for months and months just to catch up with backorders.

 

Supply and Demand to labor isn't really applicable if robots can do the entire job.

And robots make guns and ammo better than most things. I think the first automation concepts were invented by Eli Whitney to make guns in the early 1800's weren't they?

 

We have struck gold and the sun is coming out. Lefties screech all day long about having a $15-$22/hr. minimum wage and when robots make their hamburger in NYC they boycott the place.
You are on the wrong side of the argument here. I am the one pushing for automation. You are on the side of the $22/hr. hamburger flipper. Automation does not mean all jobs are lost. The moneymakers will ber the people figuring out how to introduce automation into a process plagued with vacation pay, overtime, sick leave, healthcare, and all the associated bullshit of having someone coming in late and slowing production.
There will always be jobs and many good paying ones. Young students overlook the trades which require few if any student loans, they don't have to listen to ultra liberal assistant to the assistant professors pump their bullshit into their soft little skulls and demand should be there for a very long time.

If you doubt me call a plumber to install a faucet and get back to us.

 

You'd have to factor in comparative advantage. Manufacturing lags in the US because of its neoliberalism, mind you. Through right wing economics, they have encouraged too much resource skewed to low productivity endeavour. Manufacturing needs long term relationships and labour rights encourage that outcome.

 

Automation, coupled with labour markets skewed in favour of big business, is a dystopian hell. Right wingers are the curse here.

 

Then why should trade barriers between nations be any problem?
See, your points of argument are totally inconsistent.

 

Economic irrationality springs to mind.

 

You are correct. Right wingers are always looking for a better way, especially when their labor force is demanding to run the business.

 

Where did I hold liberals accountable for manufacturing leaving the country? I didn't. But they sure as heck aren't doing anything to bring them back. Or create new ones. All they keep saying is that "they're not coming back". They do not even attempt to solve the problem. They're quite content to keep them out of the country. Why do you think that is? Why won't they do anything to bring them back or incentivize people to make new ones? At least Trump is trying to bring them back. What have liberals done? Again, nothing. Obama didn't even try, claiming that he doesn't have a magic wand. No body asked for a magic wand. They asked for solutions.

 

Rear Admiral Bonespurs?

 

The only manufacturing booming under the Trump administration is the manufacturing of lies and corrupt acts.

 

This is his first night doing stand-up, ladies and gentleman. And it's also his last.

 

What's funny is you forgot the jobs lost in 2020.
Funny you want to hold Obama responsible for Bush's crash and now we can listen to your excuses for Trump.

 

Guess again, over Navy sailors surrendered to Iran and this guy "apologized".

 

Then tell us how Manufacturing jobs have been pouring into the nation .. and explain "why" - the manufacturing index was negative for 5 months just prior to Corona. The worst that index has been since the 2008 debacle.

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/manufacturing-activity-falls-lowest-level-decade

So please tell us how you are not completely full of "Bullcrap" - in suggesting that there was some mass influx into our manufacturing sector - that our manufacturing sector has come roaring back.

Correct - the above affirms what I just said - but, Corona is not the sum total of the equation.

The Shale Oil Ponzi Scheme blew up - in case you didn't notice - and that was a function of more than just Covid.

 

'Have liberals not learned anything from covid' was the first line of the post I quoted. And in this post, you continue to rally against the liberals.

 

Yet just a few months before the Chinese virus,
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/m...-at-the-same-level-of-69-years-ago-2019-01-04

 

Good link - but - it does not help your argument - never mind make a the claim "Bullcrap" true.

Did you see the headline in a google search
U.S. enjoys best manufacturing jobs growth of the last 30 years

and say to yourself - "Yay this makes my case" and not read the link ?

In case not - the first paragraph states

"Some food for thought: the U.S. had as many people working in the manufacturing sector in December as it did 69 years ago.

The 32,000 positions added in December took the total number of positions in manufacturing to 12.84 million. In November 1949, there were 12.88 million manufacturing workers, at the end of a sharp recession."

Thank goodness we had some growth .. as this sector has gotten the snot beat out of it for the last 30 years. That having the same number of workers as we did 69 years ago represents "Manufacturing is coming back" - in any significant way is simply not the case.

We managed to beat an incredibly low bar - The article continues

"The economy in 1949 was unlike that of the U.S. in 2019 in another way. Then, some 30% of American civilian workers outside the farm sector were in manufacturing; now, that percentage stands at just 8.5%, about as low as it’s ever been."

The chart is truly ugly - and shows no sign of some big resurgence in manufacturing. We had a tiny blip up in a situation where the situation had been negative for many years.

"The hollowing out of America’s industrial base, and the loss of the highly paid jobs for the high-school educated that went along with them, goes some way to reflect the tectonic shifts in U.S. politics that set the stage for the election of President Donald Trump and his brand of populism.

Last year, 264,000 new manufacturing jobs were added, representing the highest number of new workers since 1988. As a percent of the total workforce, manufacturing rose for the first time since 1984"

So in a race where the field consists of 37 horses (each horse representing that year) - you found a year where manufacturing jobs increases over prior year - and want to say this is some great resurgence in Manufacturing - The problem is that all of the other horses were running backwards ... so while an improvement over the other years - big friggen deal .. you beat a horse running backwards

 

There's still lots of things we won't be buying from China. One of the companies I invest in makes enriched uranium for nuclear weapons and have had a banner year so far. Another company makes delivery systems for said weapons and is crushing it. This all happened in spite of Covid 19. In fact all of my investments that are doing well make things for the military. I wish the rest of my portfolio looked this good. Thanks China!!!

 

This is what you said.

There is a difference between blaming liberals for their current give up attitude towards manufacturing and blaming them for manufacturing jobs leaving as was your claim that I was doing. Like I said, I'm not blaming manufacturing jobs leaving on liberals. THAT has been a joint effort between all politicians and heads of manufacturing corporations regardless of party.

And Trump has been bringing them back. As has been shown in this thread already. Is it an outrageously good come back? Nope. But it is still better than it was when Obama was in office with him saying he doesn't have a magic wand and as such didn't even try.​

 

Agreed; I think he got a lot of bad advice from his advisors and he unknowingly did more damage to the American economy and manufacturing capabilities when he signed that agreement.

 

Millions of jobs are lost forever due to the shutdowns from companies that couldn’t survive being shut down for so long.

These jobs are lost forever by government edict and not by the virus!