Trump has 91% chance of winning second term, professor’s model predicts

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    Ouch! Brings new meaning to the term butthurt.
     
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    The only problem with this is, the media was deemed fake long before Trump even considered running for prez! Well for the intelligent American anyway, the MSM has always had a fair amount of followers or guppies if you will..
     
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    We can blame the Chinese for starting it, but we can blame ourselves for letting it beat us. The Trump administration on numerous occasions underestimated the threat of the virus even when experts warned them. And there are serious real world consequences for not listening to experts.
     
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    So lockdown clearly didn't work. You can't lock down because everybody needs food everybody needs to shop or have food prepared for them.
    no we take our chances. Again shut down clearly didn't work.


    false

    Hospitals are not full they aren't even 50% full. Hospitals are begging people to come to the hospital to get their elective procedures done they are furloughed nurses and other hospital staff because they can't afford to pay them. I know people that work in the hospitals they say they are empty.

    the rate of infection has increased the rate of death has decreased this indicates a different strain so possibly endemic meaning a season every year like the flu. Your doom and gloom is not realistic.

    and if you're stupid link says the hospitals artful it's wrong and therefore garbage.


    according to what?

    so make me a list of how many perfectly healthy people with no pre-existing conditions that this happened I bet you cannot find it hard to come up with any.
    I'm not sure too many people have died of covid-19 related illnesses. It's largely pre-existing illnesses and deficiencies covid-19 exacerbates.
    That's your opinion and I disagree with it it's not strong evidence it's correlation at best.
     
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    Yeah I live in Houston and I have friends that work in hospitals so I know the truth. It is fundamentally different than what you're saying and you're basing what you're saying on what some dumbass political hack with an agenda told you based on what some dumbass political hat told them.

    I'm basing what I say all the people who actually work in the environment. They know better than you or whatever retarded newscaster tells you what to think.

    So thanks for your ridiculous opinion but I don't except lies sorry.
     
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    Every other developed nation locked down and it worked. This is because they locked down nationally and mandated social distancing and mask wearing. We didn't and opened up too soon. We can still allow people to shop as long as they do so safely.

    You can't make a blanket statement about all hospitals at all times. It depends on the location, the hopital, and the time. In New York, hospitals were definitely overwhelmed and they even had to keep many patients in their park.

    There is no evidence that this is a different strain than the one we saw in the first wave. Younger people have been getting infected this time around which is why the death rate is a lot lower. But they will eventually start infecting middle-age and older people.

    We have actual doctors and nurses reporting how full the hospitals were in New York and patients moved into the park. We have actual video footage too. How long will you keep your head in the sand?

    Give me the evidence that people who died of completely unrelated stuff like cancer were marked as covid deaths. 99% of people who died just a couple weeks after getting covid died from covid or complications from covid. Its just common sense.

    Very few people in their 50s and 60s are perfectly healthy and have no pre-existing conditions.

    When you are handling severe asthma and barely making it, and then you get covid and can't breathe, and then you die, covid is responsible for this death.

    Then how do you personally explain the huge spike in deaths? Depression? Lack of sunlight?
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    Stay with the highlighted or risk ignorance. No country has beaten it, our problem is we Americans don't conform well to home prisons and no social interaction is why we have increased cases.. Now if were all stricken with agoraphobia and germaphobes like some we see here and around the country then maybe we would reflect the same numbers the conformative and puppet people countries propagandize to have..
     
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    Actually every other developed nation and every East Asian nation has gotten the virus to minimal levels and are safely opening up or have opened up a long time ago. You don't have to imprison people at home to lock down. During lockdown, people can still take walks, and shop with masks, face shields, and social distancing. And if we actually beat this virus, we can actually reduce our social distancing measures because they won't be needed anymore. Currently, that isn't an option for us, because we refuse to beat the virus and we have to live in fear of it in the near future.
     
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    That's hardly beating it, is it ;) Soon as the sheep are ALLOWED to mingle, those that haven't contracted it WILL and their number will resume again.. It's really simple logic, but I notice that it is difficulty among many looking to point blame ;)
     
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    That's wascist!
     
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    It the truth, so of course it is ;)
     
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    My wife's family is from China. They haven't had to do the social distancing and masks for a while because the virus has been nearly eradicated. Whenever an area gets new infections, it is locked down, and everyone else is protected.

    Some countries like Japan and Taiwan didn't have to lock down at all because they took quick measures to prevent the spread early on. Germany is another success story along with other European countries that have beaten the virus without some of the authoritarian measures the Chinese took. They can safely open up because there are so few cases now.

    The key is opening up when cases definitely on their way down, opening up slowly and carefully to prevent a second wave, doing a lot of testing so we tackle new infections quickly, and shutting down places where there are new outbreaks.
     
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    Whatever people knew or not knew about fake news before Trump, the point is; Trump made fake-news his own.
    But did anyone realize he was gonna do that on the scale he has done?

    I don't think so.

    I am sure Trump never discussed his fake-news strategy, or any other anti-establishment strategy, with the Republican party.
    Not before and not after the 2016 election. Republicans, for Trump, are just political hicks that he cannot stand.
    Like he cannot tolerate politics in general.
    Trump presented himself as a Presidential candidate who NEVER had any intention of acting like one, once elected.

    Trumps anti-establishment strategy was the brain-child of his closest cronies. Some right wing nutcases that surround him.

    The last four years of Trump and his cronies have been nothing but an attempted coup d'etat, abusing the Oval Office to plan Trumps racist tweets and similar racist speeches.

    If the 2nd world war was the idea of a few people (Hitler, Goebbels, Göring, Himmler etc) so Trumps administration is nothing more than a small criminal enterprise, designed to brainwash American into fascist submission.

    The Republican party seems seduced by Trumps cult or are otherwise unable to oppose it. And the Democrats might be to late to the party to reverse public perception.

    Does this story sound familiar?

    It is time for Trump and his racist reign to END.
    VOTE HIM OUT or face the consequences of voting him in again.
     
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    Hardly, in this case you give him far to much credit! The people most responsible for it is the MSM themselves.. I know many democrats swear to their media choices as solid info, but only a moron would give any, ANY, news source that sort of clout.. Trump is merely putting them in a new light is all..
     
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    And how did they eradicate it? You do realize how ridiculous that reads right?

    We should do that too, BUT OH NO, that would be racist and bigoted!

     
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    Go live there then. We're not locking down nationally.

    Further we have lockdowns in States and it didn't work.

    I'm not I'm speaking only about the hospitals in the city of Houston. but I can't make it Blake and statement about the people who are lying to you. if they lie to you about one thing they're probably lying to you about more than one thing.


    I guess it just decided to be less deadly.





    Never said squat about new york you are making a straw man.

    The only reason you would do that is to be dishonest.

    so now I don't even think you believe what you are saying you're just lying.


    That's not how it works. The claim that they are covid deaths is positive. The burden of proof is on you. You need to provide evidence.
    When people say "it's just common sense" it's indicative that they don't have any facts to back up what they believe to be common sense.

    No it's not common sense it's what you were told.


    Sure but if you were bearly making it before you weren't long for this world in the first place.


    i never said nobody ever died from covid-19.
     
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    We don't have to beat the virus the Chinese way. Many other countries beat the virus and there are many ways of handling it without getting the army out. Every other western democracy has nearly eradicated the virus or is heading in that direction and they didn't use totalitarian Chinese measures. Some countries were so smart that they didn't have to lock down at all.

    Its really a simple formula that other democratic free countries follow. Shut down all restaurants and social gatherings. Require face masks and social distancing when shopping. Do a lot of testing to track where the virus is spreading and ask the infected to self-quarantine for a couple weeks. Slowly open up again, with face masks and social distancing. We can eventually get rid of the face masks and social distancing when things are safe enough. Continue to do testing to track new outbreaks. If a city gets new cases, then lock it down again while keeping the rest of the country open.
     
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    Trump isn't going anywhere.

    Fo mo fo sho!!!
     
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    Yeah, sure, Trump is innocent so please, ignore the fact that HE needs to benefit from voter distrust in MSMedia.
    His distrust must be(come) the voters distrust.

    Consider this; Is it fake news or fake Jews?

    I'll give you the answer; It's the same.
     
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    :smile:´ ~ I do believe that is called a "Win - win situation" .. . ❓
    ~ Here in Los Angeles people are already going back to work. More of us realize we have been duped by our own government "experts". Our effort to recall the goofy Democrat governor was blocked - of course. Folks are getting more suspicious of "progressive" liberalism each day.
     
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    you are immune to facts. Lockdowns didn't work. We had those and here we are it probably made it worse.
    yeah that doesn't work we tried that. And it cost many people their livelihood.

    These measures are stupid and damaging and not effective. As we can plainly see in Texas.

    Now if you want to compare Europe to here Texas is the equivalent of two or three European countries in the entire State shutdown and it did nothing. So it doesn't work.
    in order to enforce this you would have to use totalitarian measures. Because people will just not do it.
    the problem is people don't get tested if they don't have symptoms. You would have to mandate blanket testings so this would require totalitarian measures.
    that's what we did. It put a lot of people out of business, and it didn't work.

    I don't know why you don't understand that.
    it never was safe enough through the entirety of human history and it never will be. People get sick and they die.

    Crushing our economy so that you can pretend like you're doing something that has been proven not to work only drags it out longer and has the added bonus of wrecking our economy.

    If your precious little self needs to be safe, move to Europe or stay in your damn house.

    yeah just f*** everyone over and forget the Constitution you can feel safe.

    People who give up liberty in the name of safety deserve neither.
     
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    The news had destroyed the reputation long before Trump has even heard of as a political person. This happened because we entered the information age.

    If you want to credit Donald Trump for the people exiting the controlled information stupor they were in I think you're giving him too much credit. A lot of it belongs to the internet.
     
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    The lockdown failed because many states opened up too soon and didn't have enough lockdown measures. Many people were still not wearing masks in stores and airports and borders were open. Many states didn't even lock down at all. States then started opening up even when they were getting record daily cases. Instead of slowly reducing social distancing, states opened everything up and people started gathering, eating out, and playing on beaches like there was no pandemic.

    In other countries, people wore masks and social distanced properly. They only opened up when the virus was on its way out and people came out carefully and only very slowly started going back to normal. As a result, every other developed nation has the virus under control, and we don't.

    A lockdown only hurts jobs if we don't properly help businesses while we are locked down. Now, many states are being forced to lock down again and their businesses will definitely take another big hit.

    Not really. Just require face masks and social distancing in stores. Stores will enforce those laws in their properly. Shut down restaurants and public gatherings. Shut down borders and airports. Do this for a couple months until the virus is on its way out. Then open up and join the rest of the developed world on the other side of this.

    Obviously, we can't force people to take tests. But we can make testing as easy, quick, and safe as possible and ensure that plenty of tests are available. We can also make testing free nationally. We can then ask asymptomatic people to voluntarily take the test occasionally.

    We are the least free people right now. We are social distancing, wearing masks, locking down again and living in fear while everyone else are returning to normal.

    P.S. just because I point out some countries that are doing things well doesn't mean I want to uproot my whole life and leave the country.
     
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    We and did they shut down because they were too costly and they didn't work.

    you can't force businesses to require people to wear masks if they don't what are you going to do take away their constitutional rights that's the only recourse you have.

    Lockdowns are unconstitutional.

    if you want to throw away our constitution for a false sense of security then this isn't your country and it never was.
    Pointing out countries that are no way comparable to the United States as well as saying we should suspend the Constitution means that this is not your country and that never was.

    In this country the Constitution is the supreme law. It shouldn't be suspended because people are scared.

    I don't care if European dictators walk all over their people and don't recognize their rights. I am willing to die to stop that from happening here. And so are hundreds of millions of other Americans because we're Americans.

    We're not Europe. So they don't compare.

    you have a proposal to change the hearts and minds of all the people then presented if you don't then you're just running your mouth.
     
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    We and did they shut down because they were too costly and they didn't work.

    you can't force businesses to require people to wear masks if they don't what are you going to do take away their constitutional rights that's the only recourse you have.

    Lockdowns are unconstitutional.

    if you want to throw away our constitution for a false sense of security then this isn't your country and it never was.
    Pointing out countries that are no way comparable to the United States as well as saying we should suspend the Constitution means that this is not your country and that never was.

    In this country the Constitution is the supreme law. It shouldn't be suspended because people are scared.

    I don't care if European dictators walk all over their people and don't recognize their rights. I am willing to die to stop that from happening here. And so are hundreds of millions of other Americans because we're Americans.

    We're not Europe. So they don't compare.

    you have a proposal to change the hearts and minds of all the people then presented if you don't then you're just running your mouth.

    P.S. I hope we see a lot of class action lawsuits against states that locked down. And the further I hope it ruins there. Governments. Dictatorships are not allowed here.
     
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