Suicide rate rises amid pandemic

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Did the 2008/2009 Great Recession created a whole lot of stress, anxiety, and depression?

Let’s see;

Annual suicide rate per 100,000

2006......11.0
2007......11.3
2008......11.6
2009......11.8
2010......12.1
2011......12.3

Source; Statista

 

I actually covered that in a past thread.
The short answer: During the Recession the rate went up by 25%.
By comparison, during the Depression the rent went up by 50%.

 

Quote; During the recession, the suicide rate went up 25%

Bullshit!.....I just posted 2006 - 2011 annual rates.....Where do you see a 25% increase?

 

I'm not able to look it up right now, but that is what I clearly remember from past research.

I was able to find this right now, I don't know if it helps.
"From 1999 through 2018, the suicide rate increased 35%, from 10.5 per 100,000 to 14.2."
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db362.htm

 

There were 50,000 suicides in 2018.

In order for the number of suicides be larger than deaths from the virus that number would have to triple.

Stop saying ridiculous things

 

Many dispute that there actually have even been 50,000 deaths from the coronavirus (in the US).

I would contend that, to claim there "obviously have been" is what the ridiculous claim is.

Furthermore, the real rate of suicides is probably 50 to 100 percent higher if we include drug overdoses.

 

What would be the impact on homicide rates if people didn't have these medications?

Many years ago, a U.S. President (I'm excluding his name because it's not about one party over another) closed many of the psychiatric hospitals in my area. The patients were given approximately 30 days supply of their psychotropic medications and were released. Many were left homeless as they either didn't have family or their family wasn't willing to take them in.

Fast forward a couple of months. A man in our subdivision killed his elderly mother. She was underneath her walker. The first responders concluded that she was trying to get away from her son before he grabbed a butcher's knife and bludgeoned her to death. Neighbors heard her screams and called 911. He was so out of it that he was still standing over her body holding the knife when they arrived.

I'm not suggesting this is always or mostly the case when people are off their meds. I'm just trying to point out there are no easy answers between the fine lines of medication (increased risk of suicide) and no medication (increased risk for other unlawful acts).

 

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"additional"?

 

I believe these medications are not necessary in most cases. TV commercials push anti-depressants and even drugs to add to antidepressants. Depression and anxiety are not the result of a drug deficiency. Masking symptoms allows the underlying issue to worsen.

 

I can't believe you have trouble understanding that. "additional" means the suicides that wouldn't have happened if it was not for the shutdown and the effects that has on society.
Or the number of suicides that wouldn't have happened if there was never a pandemic, depending on how you want to look at this.

Anyway, the point was these "additional suicides" are a big factor, as significant as the actual number of deaths from the virus.

You know, it's very frustrating when people like you have trouble understanding things you should have no trouble understanding. And then an explanation is required to "explain the obvious". It really makes me wonder whether providing such an explanation is worthwhile to such people, since they probably won't be able to understand anything else on their own unless they are spoonfed it.

 

So you think that there are going to be more than an additional 120,000, and climbing, suicides in the US on top of the 60,000 per year. ridiculous

 

No, I think there are more annual suicides (during normal times) than there have been actual Covid-19 virus caused deaths.

The number of Covid-19 caused deaths is not a single solid number, and can be looked at in many different ways, some ways will give much higher numbers than the use of other criteria.

I have not seen a single statistical study attempting to indicate that overall death rates in the country have increased by any significant measurable amount from normal years due to the virus. Meaning, many deaths may have been counted as Covid-19 deaths that would have happened anyway. (Either that patient was sickly and going to catch something and die, or the virus that finally killed them may have been a normal coronavirus and not the new Covid-19 virus)

It only seems "obvious" to you because you have been quick to swallow the hyped up message, without skepticism or independent critical thought.

 

New study projects 68,000 'deaths of despair' among Americans due to the coronavirus pandemic

Alcohol consumption is also up by 55%.

 

This entire "crisis" is based on assumptions and poor data.

 

Homelessness and poverty are talked about here all the time

Suicide isn't discussed much because most intelligent people don't see suicide as a political act. Most people who have studied suicide even a little see it as mainly an act of mental illness.