Why do you still support Trump?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Punishing? No, opposing? Yes. Standing in their way? Yes.

    Millions of Americans voted for and supported Trump. The globalist elites and liberal progressives are not listening to these people. Trump is not the problem. Trump is part of the solution.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There seem to be quite a few countries that could be called a "social democracy" as you put it....yet they are NOT communists.
    So where did you get that idea from? And why do you insist that it's true?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A totally childish perspective.

    Trump is standing in the way of authoritarian collectivism. I support Trump doing that not because I want to prevent others from choosing to be authoritatively collectivised, but because they can't be authoritatively collectivized without me.

    Trump is one of my means of protecting my individual liberty and self determination. It has nothing to do with what I want to do to others, and everything to do with protecting myself from what they want to do to me: force me to participate in their definition of 'a greater good.'
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What exactly is it that "The globalist elites and liberal progressives" are not hearing from you???
    Because it seems to me "trump supporters" have given up the Republican beliefs they once had
    to worship Trump. (They blindly follow and believe anything Trump says)
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's disappointing Mr Paladin that you would employ the tactics of @spiritgide
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would rather have a war on poverty than a war on smoking a weed, getting married, not being a incubator to the state, or bombing countries for their oil like cons insist on...
     
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    Yet Trump has signed off on the largest hand-outs in American history. While the “communist” Obama White House signed off on increasing the National Debt by $8.9 trillion over 8 years, the Trump White House has signed off on over $7 trillion in just 3 1/2 years.

    Trump spends more fake money than Obama did and Obama had to deal with the Great Recession AND two wars.
     
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    The people do not want globalism nor liberalism. It is that simple.

    Blindly follow? Hardly. The people see the hissy fit thrown by Trump haters. What's not to love about that?
     
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    And you know good and well that the left would have screamed bloody murder if he would have vetoed that covid bail-out bill. And I bet you would have too.
     
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    Meh, obama was a divisive ****** as a president and everyone knows it.

    I take pleasure in watching lefties and elitists suffer under Trump. Many other Americans do also. I hope it continues but if not I will take equal pleasure in watching lefties and elitists suffer when they get what they want.

    Back in the day I saw what a disaster these trade agreements like NAFTA were going to be. Many Americans were buying into the propaganda hook,line and sinker. I positioned myself to weather the storm and watched the suckers who bought that crap suffered. Same thing again.

    I have positioned myself to minimize the misery to myself that will be brought on by the liberal progressives and globalists. I will take pleasure in watching those who supported these scumbag liars suffer from their own support of it.
     
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    We have very different views as to what constitutes trolling. I have simply asked a question in a tactful and respectful way. I have not attacked anyone nor will l.
     
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    In all fairness both side are that way. Committed conservatives and liberals tend to vote in predictable ways.
     
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    Who do you perceive as winning the culture war? Based upon Pew and Gallup polling data the majority support many classically liberal positions, a noticeable exception being Roe vs Wade which is fairly evenly split. Seems to me that America is moving to the left despite Trump or perhaps in some cases because of Trump.
     
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    yep, it's the independents and new voters that decide the election

    I think Trump has motivated the black vote to vote this year, if that happens, Trump doesn't stand a chance
     
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    What are some of the things that Trump has accomplished that you support?
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I would agree that Trump has a House against him and court’s ruling against him, yet I remember his proclamations that he is the deal maker and only he can get things done. So while it is a valid point that he has faced many hurtles and firm resistance, it is apparent to me that he overestimated his own abilities and underestimated the challenges of the job. Seems to me that first time politicians are full of idealistic zest when running for office, only to face the soul crushing reality of the job when they win. In that way Trump is like many on the right and left who came before him.

    As for a history of sexual harassment both men have those claims against them. It would be hypocritical to take issue with one while giving a pass to the other. Perhaps I am one of the few who believes in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law as the court of public opinion is predictable and biased. Sadly our judiciary can be biased too.

    Thanks for your perspective.
     
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    Obama created a task force to fight a pandemic, trump disbanded it. Obama created a 64 pg hand book on how to handle a pandemic, trump tossed it. Trump doesn't want increased testing because it looks bad.
     
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    Which doesn't negate the fact that trump spent more than obama no matter how much you want it to.
     
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    I was raised as a Christian conservative and steeped in conservative values. Yet as an adult I moved to the center and have an amalgam of conservative and leftist values. Two of the classically liberal views I hold are pro LGBT and pro BLM.

    As for an ideology of domination of others, seems to me that is the end game for the RNC and DNC. That is why I am an independent. I value cooperation over partisanship.
     
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    Remember one thing, it takes two people to make a deal. If only one is I retested the one better be willing to walk away if he doesn't want to pay a lot more than he can afford.
     
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    Newly registered troll account. Go away.
     
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    Partisans are predictable. Most Republicans Will say that Trump is the blameless victim of liberal interference and attacks. The left predictably will say the same about Biden if he wins, being that Biden is the blameless victim of conservative interference and attacks. I prefer politician who are ethical enough to admit and own their mistakes. Sadly in terms of social psychology we tend to see admittance of failure as a weakness. Because of this politicians avoid admitting fault and failure like the plague... a term that may have to be retired given the current circumstance.
     
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    You are the 2nd person Who said they would have voted for Tulsi. I do not know who that is. Will have to do a Google. What do you like about Tulsi?
     
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    I have never supported a Democrat, yet for me Trump’s amorality and overtly divisive nature makes it so I can not support him. For me the ends do not always justify the means. If furthering of policies I support requires the suspension of my ethics, then that is too high a price to pay.
     
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    Claiming a Trump ignited a historic economic boom is factually incorrect. Under Obama unemployment was reduced more than Trump reduced it previous to the pandemic. Trump does get full credit for continuing the trend though, previous to the pandemic. Under Obama the stock market did very well. Revisionism is for partisans.

    As for your list of Trump accomplishments, they lack source citation and would take weeks for an individual to vet. A tip if you are interested, if you want to be taken seriously then do not lead with partisan propaganda “IGNITING A HISTORIC ECONOMIC BOOM” as it telegraphs your bias.
     
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