We All Knew This Was Coming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...009804-c9c7-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html

"It was RIGGED. We all KNOW it was rigged. After all, I LOST" The Man of Bronze

I say we put him under House Arrest now and say he can't communicate with the Army, if he loses, no harm done. Though it's probably too late already.

Are tank shell stains that hard to get out of White Houses?

 

You are advocating for a coup against the duly elected president. I hope you get a visit from some federal employees.

 

I can't read the story but I am assuming this is another of the stories of Trump saying he will not accept it if he loses the election.

 

What's the big deal. Elections are often disputed, with recounts and such. Clearly if there's no doubt, and he loses, he'll pass the baton. The question is, if he wins again will the left accept it. That said, the poll question is vague. I'm not sure of its meaning. Can the OP please clarify?

 

If he loses, he'll make a lot of noise and claim it was an illegal election, and he may even try some lawsuits, but he'll leave. He isn't going to try to use the military to stay in.

 

I keep hearing he is headed for jail if he is not re-elected. Trump imo is not sane so impossible to know what he might try. From what I hear he is very low on the polls, not least for his craziness. When you hear people saying they are voting for Biden simply to stop Trump getting in, it is clear that the only reason they will be voting for Biden is because Trump has lost his marbels. The issue probably is what kind of a situation would Trump need to be able to become Dictator Another 9/11? Civil war? He would need the support of your military.

 

This seems like a particularly poor basis for an opinion.

 

You can say whether you believe what I keep hearing....but if all you can do is bait I know you are frightened by what I said.

 

I'm not remotely frightened by what you say. From what I gather you're not even an American citizen, so your opinions on American domestic issues are utterly meaningless.

 

He'll likely be facing some criminal charges when he leaves office, at least when it comes to his payments to his mistresses and related issues. I'm sure that's part of why he and Barr are desperate to change the leadership at the SDNY. But jail, if it happens, would be a long way off, and I don't know that Trump thinks that far ahead.

 

Should this be an 'American Only' forum? Should scholars from around the world who comment on American issues be labelled as 'meaningless'?

As for the OP, I think if Trump loses we will see a lot of bluster but I don't believe he will bring in the military or refuse to leave. I think he will slink out of the country for a while... Mind you, he may not be able to leave the country if the legal channels act quickly enough.

 

No, and that's not even remotely what I was suggesting.

AFAICT, there's nothing scholarly about a foreigner regurgitating what they "keep hearing".

 

You wrote: From what I gather you're not even an American citizen, so your opinions on American domestic issues are utterly meaningless. Unless I'm not understanding you, your assertion is that non American citizens shouldn't be commenting upon American issues. Or, if they do, they are utterly meaningless. So, then, why have non Americans participate on PF? Or, perhaps, they should be blocked from participating in 'American' threads? Afterall, we don't want 'utterly meaningless' comments cluttering up threads, do we?

Should I have taken it a different way?

 

We have a great many utterly meaningless comments cluttering up threads already. I'm not advocating for a ban on them either. My post was intended as a reminder, that such a poorly-sourced opinion doesn't merit much consideration.

I probably wouldn't mind thoughtful, careful analysis by foreigners, but if the basis of a foreigner's (or a fellow citizen's) opinion is "I keep hearing" it's probably not one that should be taken seriously. If she were a potential voter, I might spend some time trying to correct her confusion, but given that she won't cast a vote, and she's that far out in fantasy-land, it's probably not worth the effort. Does that clear things up for you?

 

You, have provided zilch to this thread except personal attacks. You clearly have no knowledge of any kind of debate, just personal attacks. I am quite sure I am not alone in hearing these things said again and again, not least because it is Americans I hear saying them. Hence in a discussion of Trump things which are repeatedly said are worth commenting on. I myself did not comment on them I left that open to others. Your argument that I as a 'foreigner' should not be on this thread and that I made my opinions on things I heard other people saying however, tell me a great deal about you. I do not make an opinion on something until I have sufficient information which is why your tacky comment that I was stating an opinion when what I was doing was simply allowing it to be open to discussion was worth nothing except as your tacky personal attack. That I believe Trump is insane is very much my opinion based on his behaviour and my knowledge of mental health.

 

That's not my argument at all. I suggested you find a better basis for your opinions that what you "keep hearing".

 

That is one of your arguments. I also dealt with your pretending I was giving my opinion when that was not so. All you have done in this thread is repeated personal attacks on me for being a fcoreigner on this thread and for pretending that my saying I kept hearing something was me giving my personal opinion on it. Clearly it was not. You obviously just did not want it up for discussion.

 

...and I will go further, it is with respect to the possibility that Trump may try not to let go of the Presidency that American's bring up the fact that they believe he will likely find himself in jail if he is not re-elected. That is why it was relevent to this thread and that is information, not my opinion.

 

Here is what people who are actually knowledgeable about mental health have to say about your opinion:

- American Psychiatric Association's Code of Ethics, Section 7.3

 

This is false. I said your opinion was "utterly meaningless". I have not once said you "should not be on this thread". At a minimum, I hope you stick around to gain some education.

 

Read your initial comment again - your assertion that the poster's comment was utterly meaningless was BECAUSE they were not American.

you're not even an American citizen, so your opinions on American domestic issues are utterly meaningless

You can now go on to say that the commentary is utterly meaningless for your own subjective reasons, but your initial assertion had to do with them not being American.

 

Another word for this is an "opinion". You regurgitating someone else's opinion does not transform that opinion into fact. It's still an opinion (and still a meaningless one)

 

I guess it didn't clear things up. Let me try again: I occasionally have conversations with Europeans who tell me they hate President Trump for whatever reason. My typical response is to shrug and get on with life, with the thought that he literally is "not their president" and they won't be voting in 2020 so their opinions don't matter (or are "utterly meaningless" in the phrasing of my earlier post). If, on occasion, I hear a particularly well-grounded argument or piece of analysis from a foreigner, I might give it some consideration and spend some time thinking over their points, but "I keep hearing" is about as far-removed from well-grounded as I can imagine.

 

Trump will not go quietly when he loses, but will eventually leave when confronted. He is in essence a coward when push comes to shove as is quite clear from his actions, he will however try to fight the SDNY when he gets the boot and fail at that as well.

 

I never claimed to be a Psychiatrist giving my Professional Opinion.

Trump is not just a Narcissist which lets us know he has serious psychological problems. He has also given me the impression he is psychotic - that means being out of contact with reality. Now that Trump is insane is as I said my opinion and probably pretty loosely given but that he is a narcissist I think is well known and I certainly believe he has shown himself at times to be out of contact with reality which is psychosis a serious mental illness. An opinion is different from being a professional in the field laying their reputation on it. It is simply an opinion.