Trump's National Police Force

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  1. HumbledPi

    HumbledPi Well-Known Member

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    These were not 'troops' that descended on protesters in Portland.

    This has to, or it should, wake people up as to what Trump's motives are by his action of sending DHS in to interfere in the Portland protests. There's no more solid or devoted American alive than General Barry McCaffrey. I will post General McCaffrey's dialog from an interview on Brian Williams on MSNBC last night. If people aren't afraid that our democracy is being eroded by Trump now, they never will be and will continue to defend this misuse of the Dept of Homeland Security. This is a moment that's absolutely pivotal.

    General Barry McCaffrey's statement:

    "The State of Oregon has 6700 law enforcement officers and 8000 National Guard, so they've got adequate manpower and resources to deal with these problems. Our Constitution essentially has the overwhelming majority of criminal law enforcement at state, county and municipal level, and the assets are there to do that.

    What we're seeing is that Mr. Trump has taken the Department of Homeland Security and with it's fifth director (Chad Wolf), and has created a national police. They're turning it into a ministry of the interior. They're deploying people in camouflaged uniforms in big numbers and it's not just to protect federal property.

    The Department of Homeland Security is 240,000 people, it's a gigantic agency which was formed primarily for natural disasters and anti-terrorism, not to conduct any criminal operations in the streets of American cities. This is an outrage.

    I have cringed every time I've heard the word 'troops' applied to this group. What we have is a disparate collection of federal law enforcement officers. I don't believe they're adequately trained as a group to conduct protective measures on federal property never mind anti-riot duties. When we're advising foreign governments we tell them, 'do not create an internal police force that either looks like secret police, violates the rights of its citizens, or looks like an army.' There's just absolutely no reason to have these very intimidating, Marshall presence on the streets never-mind one that doesn't appear to be responsive to the governor, the mayor and the local police force. This is starting to act like a national police force. This is not the way America works.Congress has got to get a hold on this."
     
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    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These "troops" who are the same people as the President who dodged the draft from his "invisible bone spurs".

    And these Trumpie Americans follow him like lemmings!

    MAGA!
     
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    I'm not sure how closely anyone was looking at these gestapo, but from what I saw, they were all White boys, no Black Trump-police to be seen.
     
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    Just so we're clear, you're talking about this guy, right? The guy who claimed that President Trump was "under the sway of Mr Putin" two years ago? Yeah, I can't imagine that guy having any preconceived notions or biases affecting his judgement now. :rolleyes:
     
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    I do have my concerns about using federal "police" in enforcing local laws. It doesn't seem right.
     
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    It's not even close to right.
     
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    Can you refute even one word of this decorated General's logic? If you believe you can, please do so and we'll discuss it further.
     
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    So how far do you want to go with this? Should the Whitehouse be protected by federal police, what about the pentagon, supreme court, embassies, or court houses. If local wacko lefty mayors decide they won't protect these federal establishments do you want them protected or not? It's real freaking simple and this bs national police force is dumb. We should not allow our federal buildings to be attacked period, we should actively pursue those who do. If lefties want to burn their cities, let rioters take over their police stations, or allow their poor neighborhoods to be looted have at it, you get what you deserve but not federal buildings.
     
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    I'm more concerned with governors and mayors who are neglecting their power ---- by letting rioters and protesters take over and/or destroy property ---- than I am with Trump using his power to come in and protect these areas and property.

    The law abiding citizens pay taxes and have rights too, and one of those rights should be the enforcement of law and order, and the protection of the police. Telling the police to stand down, and allowing rioters to flaunt law and order in the name of "protest" is a slap in the face to the law abiding citizens trapped in this insanity.

    If I lived there I'd not only be grateful Trump is sending help, I'd be wishing he'd sent it sooner.
     
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    Are you suggesting DHS is all White?
     
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    Sure, let's begin with this paragraph:
    DHS encompasses a lot of federal agencies. For example, one of those is Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and they sure as hell DO conduct "criminal operations in the streets of American cities": https://www.ice.gov/ero
     
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    He is currently a paid military analyst for NBC and MSNBC as well as president of his own consulting firm, BR McCaffrey Associates.[5] He serves on many boards of directors of national corporations. He is an outspoken advocate for insurance parity, for drug courts[6][7] and veterans' courts,[8] and is a frequent speaker at conferences.[9][10] In March 2018 he claimed that United States president Donald Trump was under the sway of Russian President Vladimir Putin and that this was a dangerous threat for the security of the United States.[11][12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_McCaffrey

    He is also a member of Council on Foreign Relations
     
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    How in any way is that incorrect? And certainly their duty is to protect from criminals in the streets but these protesters were NEVER charged with anything criminal. Incidentally, that is the job of the LOCAL police
     
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    Don't worry, I'm sure all race obsessed progressives noticed as well.
     
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    Damage done to Federal Property is a local matter?
     
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    It's no obsession to take notice that a gestapo style federal police have no men of color. The S.S. didn't have any either.
     
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    Its your claim to prove.
     
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    Yes, it is all within the jurisdiction of the local Portland police and if the governor felt it was needed, HE would have called the National Guard, which he did not feel the need to do so.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    You wouldn't notice or make assumptions if it were not an obsession. Or maybe it's not obsession, just trying the tried and true method calling disliked things 'racist' in hopes that it does something.
     
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    That explains it, I guess. ;)
     
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    Oh yea let's see what law you get this from, you may start here to see you couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried. Thanks for playing though....
    https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-660...xt=The Inspector General Act of 1978, 5 U.S.C.
     
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    Rand Paul also says he’s has a problem with trumps jack booted thugs trampling states rights. The gop is no longer conservative, it’s just the cult of trump.
     
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    Then he needs to learn the law as in this he is wrong.

    One of the principal responsibilities of the federal criminal law is the protection of government property. The property holdings of the United States, its departments and agencies are extensive and include both real and personal property in this country and abroad. In order for the Federal government to perform the wide range of duties assigned to it by law, it must have ready access to these properties and resources. Therefore it is very important that these properties be protected from any theft, misuse or misappropriation.

    This chapter focuses on the series of laws that Congress has enacted which prohibit the wrongful taking or misuse of land, personal property and other resources belonging to the United States.

    Responsibility for certain violent crimes and those involving willful destruction of government property may rest with the Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division. Prior authorization of the Criminal Division is not required for instituting these prosecutions. United States Attorneys with questions regarding the application of these laws are encouraged, however, to contact the appropriate Section for assistance.

    Responsibility for certain violent crimes and those involving willful destruction of government property may rest with the Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division. Prior authorization of the Criminal Division is not required for instituting these prosecutions. United States Attorneys with questions regarding the application of these laws are encouraged to contact the appropriate Section for assistance.


    He can bring it up to the DOJ.
     
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