People more likely to contract coronavirus at home, study finds

It is inevitable sir. Epidemics like this have shown that through the history of mankind. It's not a matter of wanting it.

 

do you really think that it just got there? Really?

 

it's speculation about "millions" but we must use fear tactics

orange man bad

 

The camps for Japanese Americans was a good idea. It minimized espionage but more importantly it protected those people from white Americans. Just the fact of the matter.

There would have been dead jap Americans everywhere. Especially after the pacific battles that killed Americans and the stories of how maps treated prisoners.

Hell severed ears were being sent home and my uncle told of people walking up to you on the streets of California and showing off those ears. Proudly!

Jap American lives were not worth 2 cents given the state of this nation.

Don't be naive!

 

and those in the camps were definitely anti-America; right? Back to covid, let's forcefully remove from homes those who have symptoms of covid. Then, we'll let a Democrat decide for how long the person shall remain locked up away from their life and family.

 

Disgusting.

 

It seems too much for folks to forgo ordering crap on Amazon either. Amazon isn't essential! It didn't even exist a short time ago! But I see millions of people forcing hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens to go to work and risk infection so they can get that freaking bean bag chair they wanted. Probably the same folks telling me I'm selfish for not wanting to wear a mask in all situations.

 

No it's math. The death rate is around 1%. Heard immunity is achieved at 70% of the population. The population is 350 million

Do the math

MILLIONS dead

 

Pure rationalization

You don't even believe that

 

I do. People are trying to accuse others of being selfish during this pandemic when no one is being serious. If you have purchased something non essential in the past few months you are contributing to the epidemic .Somone has to go outside and often work in close proximity to one another in order to produce/ship that non essential product.

If we want to get serious let's get serious. Wal-Mart's allowed to open but the electronics department stays closed. None of this Disney is allowed to open and make money but my local bar can't.

 

That's horse crap rationalization.

The fact that you won't admit it means nothing

 

I stand by it. If our nation was serious about the initial lock down, we wouldn't have allowed the sale/production/shipping of non essential goods. But instead, many of those who did their patriotic duty to stay home did so while ordering non essential goods knowing full well that people had to expose themselves to get that product to them. Sometimes it's people in third world countries in which we have no idea what protections these workers have. You think these self righteous mask enforcers gave one thought to that before they clicked submit order?

 

Please provide some evidence of this based on recent antibody and T cell immunity testing. Include evidence based not only on this specific virus’s actual R naught, but also on how heterogeneity of populations affects the percentage of a population needed to have immunity for herd immunity to exist.

Please, no classical generic definitions of herd immunity without supporting evidence that SARS-CoV-2 fits those models.

 

the death rate is 1% if you only use the known positive folk. If you use the CDC estimate that 10x have been infected but untested, you then get to .1% which we'll find out isn't even real. I suspect 50x were infected and unreported

We all get it.................orange man bad so lies must be spread

 

Do you really not understand or are you just trolling?

 

That assumes that no one currently infected will die. Obviously that's not accurate. What you "suspect" means nothing

Sorry but every REAL estimate puts the CFR at or around 1% and the math on that means millions die.

 

70% is the number used by Dr. Fauci. If you dispute that show proof

 

Please answer with evidence. You made the claim. I’m not interested in appeal to authority.

 

This article reaches a threshold value for herd immunity of 67%:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236739/

While this threshold value depends on the R0, the exact virus strain, and other factors in the host population, it seems to be generally accepted that herd immunity requires 60-90% of the population to be immune. The exact value doesn't actually matter that much, since either one in this range would be devastating with regard to the overall death toll.

 

so the cdc estimate that 10x have been infected, never knew it and moved on with life is dismissed by you because........................orange man bad. Death rate is a fraction of 1%, that is the fact.

 

You have supplied us with an interesting overview of exactly what I asked not be provided. While mentioning heterogeneity your analyses ignores it in the provided calculation of 67%. The authors acknowledge this, yet here we are back at a classic definition I asked not be provided as evidence.

 

So, what would you accept as evidence? Someone on here writing and presenting a dissertation on the threshold for covid-19 herd immunity? Sure, it can be argued that 67% is only an estimate, and in reality it could be 55% or 80%. None of that would change the take home message, i.e. a large death toll, if we rely on herd immunity to beat the outbreak.

What is 100% clear, however, is that the threshold is not going to be 5-10%. If it were, we would have already reached herd immunity.

 

No it doesn't. To get it inside the home it has to be carried in there, there is no "spontaneous generation" like people used to believe many centuries ago with regard to plants... The more people in the home that travel outside, to shop..., the more items from outside one brings in, the greater the odds of the virus getting in the home. So how did I sometimes avoid the flu when one in house worked at a snot factory (school), avoidance and being clean; I had a jug of hand sanitizer before I heard of the Wuhan.

So mask up outside around others when shopping..., wash hands after removing mask, have different masks on different motorcycles, and swap between which one to ride so the virus dies between rides, and reduce the odds. I wash hands after handling groceries. Never touch face, and minimize what else you touch, before washing hands.

 

That is a different perspective that I had not considered before.

 

Now that Trump has finally been forced to confront his dismal failure to provide competent leadership concerning the pandemic, declaring that wearing a mask is "patriotic", any abject lickspittles will modify their jihad against public health professionals, and be less gullible regarding what someone from the realm of reality-tv might tell them regarding preventative medicine.