Race and Crime

In their essay "Western Europe, State Formation, and Genetic Pacification," anthropologists Peter Frost and Henry C. Harpending argue that in the twelfth century residents of Western Europe had a one percent chance of being murdered during their lives, and a one percent of being killed at the scene of crimes they committed, dying in custody, or being executed. By the beginning of the twentieth century many fewer people were murdered in the West. Many fewer were killed by criminal justice systems.Frost and Harpending maintain that lethal justice systems removed crime genes from the gene pools of white people, lowering the crime rates of the white race.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491501300114

Crime genes are being discovered, despite lingering taboos against looking for them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

In A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World economics professor at the University of California at Davis Gregory Clark, made a similar argument about England, using records from English churches.

In "The Roman State and Genetic Pacification," Peter Frost made the same argument about the Roman Empire. Over time the draconian criminal justice system of the Roman Empire killed people with crime genes, making the population of the empire less physically aggressive, and consequently less prone to revolt from the Empire, and less prone to commit crimes.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491000800306

In this discussion I am describing a civilization as a city based society where the government has the effective monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Until fairly recently criminals in civilized countries were killed. The few children some of them had rarely lived to adulthood.

Tribes exist where the government is weak, ineffective, or does not exist. While a civilization selects genetically against physical aggressiveness, a tribal society selects for it. In tribal societies all men participate in the wars. The best warriors have more than one wife, and consequently more sons who inherit their violent inclinations and talents. Men are expected to avenge wrongs done to themselves, their friends, and their relatives.

In the black majority, and consequently very dangerous city where I live, I often read in the local newspaper that a young black man has been shot, and is not identifying the shooter. While he recovers in a hospital he thinks, "I know who did it. I will get back at him when I get out." When he gets out he kills the man who shot him. The man's friends kill him. His friends kill them. So it goes. This is more than the culture of the underclass. It is the working of instincts that had survival value in the African jungle.

This is why races that have practiced civilization the longest - of course I mean whites and Orientals - have the lowest crime rates. These deserve to be called "the two civilized races." Racial differences in crime rates can be seen from the following chart compiled by the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

In the United States:

"Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)."

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Characteristics that enabled the ancestors of Negroes to survive in the tribal societies of sub Saharan Africa earn for many of them felony convictions in civilized countries. A criminal justice system that is effective for whites and Orientals is insufficiently harsh for Negroes. Before the civil rights movement this was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. That is why, when a black man and a white man committed the same crime, the black man received more punishment.

 

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This is not going to go well................

 

I joined Stormfront to see how long I would survive there. I was banned after two weeks when I quoted a footnote in my edition of Mein Kampf that documented that one of Hitler's accusations against German Jews was incorrect. Hitler said that German Jews shirked combat duty during World War I. My footnote, which can be found on page 251 of the Reynal & Hitchcock edition of 1940, pointed out that German Jewish combat duty and casualties were proportional to the Jewish percentage in the German population.

The editors of that edition of Mein Kampf could not have known this, but Ann Frank's father was a lieutenant in the German Army on the western front.

I note in passing that it is ironic that the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence has led to the dogma that there are no inferior races.

 

I am used to being flamed by those who do not want to be told the truth about genetically caused racial differences. The insults of the anti racists are all they have to counter my facts with.

 

If you think my comment was flaming .................

 

It is interesting that "anti-science" exists on both sided of the political spectrum. Inquiries into the genetic components of humanity are not inherently racist.

 

Not at all. I have grown hardened to the most egregious abuse by those who cannot refute my fact based and logical arguments.

 

The right rejects scientific evidence of global warming. The left rejects scientific evidence of genetically caused racial differences. Both sides reject facts that are inconsistent with their policy agendas.

 

I'm not surprised. Maybe you should look into why that might be so.

 

As Paul Simon wrote, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - especially on internet forums.

 

People get angry when beliefs they hope are true, but fear are not true, are challenged.

 

I don't really see how genetics play a big part in a person deciding to be a criminal.

In the overwhelming magority of cases it's social and cultural conditioning. As for blacks committing more crime than whites I do not believe for a second blacks are genetically inclined to be criminals.

It's social and cultural especially in poor areas where gang violence is common. People are sheep and blindly follow the flock.

You mentioned nazi German. Nazi Germany were white. Aren't whites supposed to be genetically predispositioned to not be criminals (according to you)?

So I ask you why did all these white Germans carry out such horrific acts and crimes against humanity?

What happened to the white good gene in Germany during this time ?

Wouldn't make more sence that the reason the Nazi's did what they did was because of society and culture reasons.... Some dick told people to hate Jews , so they did.



As for what you said white counties having lower crime rates because criminals were killed so they didn't get a chance to breed and pass on their criminal gene. I think it makes more sence that society was policing more efficiently and as the punishments were harsh. It invoked fear in the population. Hence a good social reason to avoid a life of crime, especially if there is oppuntity to flourish by staying on the straight and narrow.

 

Germany currently has a very low crime rate, as you can see from this chart compiled by the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The German inclination to obey the law unfortunately inclined them to obey the laws of the Nazi government. Nevertheless, few Germans were aware of the Holocaust, or at least its extent. The victims of the Holocaust were not tortured to death. People did not come to watch.

 

I have read Hitler's Table Talk: 1941 - 1944. This consists of recordings of his private conversations, copied by secretaries with Hitler's permission. The Holocaust is never mentioned. On occasion Hitler mentions that the Jews have been deported. Once he expresses the desire to send the to Russia.

I am not a Holocaust denier. Nevertheless, those responsible made efforts to conceal what they were doing from the German people, and even from many high placed officials in the German government. Germans knew about the concentration camps, but they did not know what was happening in them. Each of the defendants at the Nuremberg trials denied knowing about the Holocaust. Albert Speer said, "If someone told me exterminations were going on in the camps I would have said, 'That's insane! I need those people for war production'."

 

POVERTY AND CRIME

During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco's Chinatown were among America's poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

"The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle.... Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,... but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use."[2]...

NOTES:
[1] James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein, Crime and Human Nature (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1985), p. 473.
[2] Max I. Dimont, Jews, God, and History (New York: Penguin USA, 1994), pp. 373-374. (This book was originally published in 1962.)
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/race-and-crime.575947/

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U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics November 2011

Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

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The high black crime rate cannot be explained by black poverty. It can be explain by instincts that had survival value in sub Saharan Africa.

 

African Americans possess "violence" gene, researchers find

12:51pm, 11th May 2017

"We have identified a large Dutch kindred with a new form of X-linked nondysmorphic mild mental retardation. All affected males in this family show very characteristic abnormal behavior, in particular aggressive and sometimes violent behavior. Other types of impulsive behavior include arson, attempted rape, and exhibitionism. Attempted suicide has been reported in a single case. The locus for this disorder could be assigned to the Xpll-21 interval between DXS7 and DXS77 by linkage analysis using markers spanning the X chromosome. A maximal multipoint lod score of 3.69 was obtained at the monoamine oxidase type A (MAOA) locus in Xpll.23-11.4. Results of 24-h urine analysis in three affected males indicated a marked disturbance of monoamine metabolism. These data are compatible with a primary defect in the structural gene for MAOA and/or monoamine oxidase type B (MAOB). Normal platelet MAOB activity suggests that the unusual behavior pattern in this family may be caused by isolated MAOA deficiency."...

Analyses revealed that African-American males who carried the 2-repeat allele were, in comparison with other African-American male genotypes, significantly more likely to be arrested and incarcerated. Additional analyses revealed that African-American male carriers of the 2-repeat allele scored significantly higher on an antisocial phenotype index and on measures assessing involvement in violent behaviors over the life course. There was not any association between the 2-repeat allele and a continuously measured psychopathic personality traits scale. The effects of the 2-repeat allele could not be examined in Caucasian males because only 0.1% carried it."...

Controversially, there is a great deal of race-differential in the distribution of these genes. In one study of 2,574 whites and 164 blacks, Beaver et al. (2013) found that 5.2 of the black subjects possessed the highest risk 2R allele whereas only 0.1 percent of whites had it. Widom and Brzustowicz (2006) in a study of 180 whites and 98 non-whites found that 6.2 percent of the non-whites had it and 0.6 percent of whites had it. In one study of psychiatric patients, Reti et al. (2011) found that 4.7 percent of 232 blacks had the gene whereas only 0.5 percent of the 232 whites had it. Choe et al. (2014) found that 6 percent of 86 blacks had it whereas 0 percent of 106 whites had it.
https://www.tremr.com/Duck-Rabbit/african-americans-possess-violence-gene-researchers-find

 

Some dynamics missing:

Blacks did not have high crime rates during segregation, when they had effective control over their own communities. This indicates that integration (not meaningfully different from assimilation ) is the pertinent factor, not genetics.

The idea that crime is predominantly prevented by severe punishment originates from the fact that its the only method that has been tried to a large degree. It may be that punishment is not as effective of a deterent in 'black culture' as it is in 'white culture.'

NB4 folks think Im arguing for segregation... no. But voluntary separation, as described (link below) by Reverend Floyd Rose, may be the answer.

https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/...cle_a6937a92-13c1-5fb9-8d2a-6634fc1febb7.html

 

MAOA-2R is carried by 5.5% of African American men, 0.9% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men. It is a rare mutation even among African Americans, while MAOA-3R was found in 58% of African American males and 34% of European males. MAOA-3R is the “original warrior gene” that was the first gene linked with antisocial characteristics and MAOA-2R is its rare variant.

 

Bravo, this is one of the more elaborate rationalizations for a racist view point on this site. I assume that makes you comfortable. Blacks are genetically predisposed to violence. What can be done? A government program perhaps to breed it out of them?

Or maybe there are other reasons for the violence. 55% of African American are middle class and above. They are no more violent than whites at those class levels so you are talking about the poor. 30% of blacks qualify for a food subsidy so we can say 30% are "poor". Blacks have twice the poverty rate of whites and unlike whites are concentrated in urban areas. No matter the race poverty brings with it an increase in crime, violence and interpersonal strife. Add the concentration of poverty in urban areas and you up the anti. Police are mistrusted and viewed as an occupying force. Police are not seen as the legitimate protector of social order by some so grievances must be dealt with on a personal or "tribal" level and there is increasingly easy access to guns.

There's more......believe it or not living in poverty is stressful. Children who grow up with chronic stress have increased levels of cortisol which causes changes in a developing brain. These children have a greater chance of having poor emotional and impulse control, poor concentration, hypervigilance (hare triggered), little empathy and aggression. All to make him a good student and a model citizen.

 

"36% of Black men, 54% of Chinese men, 56% of Maori men, and 65% of Caucasian men carried the 3R allele"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A#Gene

 

Jews and Orientals have low crime rates, even when they are poor. I have lived with poor Vietnamese war refugees and poor blacks there are big differences between those populations.

 

This Wiki entry got wrong numbers. It should be fixed as: "36% of Caucasian men, 54% of Chinese men, 56% of Maori men, and 65% of Black men carried the 3R allele". Look at Table 1 from Lea and Chambers (2007).

 

Yes they are different populations generally refugees are mixed social levels. Ireland (a lot of poor white people) has a slightly higher crime rate than the US. The one difference, nobody has a gun so the murder rate is lower.

 

cool story bro.