Corona Virus Update

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  1. Richard Franks

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    Wearing the mask can help prevent those who are infected from spreading the virus and offers some protection to the person wearing it.
     
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    It only helps in certain situations when one person directly talk to another person.
    In all other cases the mask serve as a bag of viruses. A sick person touches his/her mask and then spread all those viruses around.
    That is exactly why we have a spike in positive cases.
     
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    I don’t think that mask contamination is the source of the positive case spike.
     
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    I'm afraid I don't understand your theory on this. The masks are for the protection for those around you. Masks are needed to prevent the spread of the virus. So others won't have to get sick if you carry the virus. I think it's a good idea.
     
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    The problem is that no one is taking that issue into consideration.
    No one care how infection is spreading.
     
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    They help to prevent only on direct contact, e.g. when people talk to each other.
    But since they accumulate viruses they spread viruses on every movement of infected person.
     
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    Realllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
     
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    Oh gosh. :disbelief: So you think a spike in positive cases is due to masks.:wierdface:Oh my. The things lay people say about Medicine don't cease to amaze me. :icon_jawdrop:

    I suppose that's why all patients who test positive for COVID-19 are given masks to wear while they are at healthcare facilities being helped. That's because we just loooooove to spread the illness around so we get that mask on the patient, make of the mask a bag of viruses, and then we contaminate everybody around. Lots of fun! I guess the more people get sick the more business for us, right? That's why we make infectious patients wear masks. Makes sense. :roll:
     
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    Attempts at education won't really succeed, I think. If we tell these anti-mask people that masks (the right kind at least, and worn the right way) contribute to lowering (not stopping it completely but lowering) the relative risk of spreading and contracting the SARS-CoV-2 as supported by abundant science (I quoted earlier a meta-analysis with 29 papers showing the reduction in relative risk), we won't get anywhere. So, I'm changing strategy.

    Here is why people should wear a mask:

    It will prevent Bill Gates and George Soros from using face identifying software over the 5G network to spy on you and come after your freedoms.

    There you go. Get a mask.
     
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    Wearing a mask in medical facilities is justified, because they wear it for short period of time, because they change it frequently.
    In case of coronavirus, mask is only good for couple of hours, then virus penetrate on the surface of mask due to small size, so instead of falling on the ground it stays in on the surface of the mask.
    Virus survive on the mask for a long period of time, when sick person breaths through them mask everything gets contaminated.

    Your metha analysis does not take into consideration infected furniture surfaces and other objects.
     
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    There is some point in what you're saying. I'll tell you what is right about it, and what isn't.

    1. Surgical facemasks, even the ASTM levels 1, 2, and 3, FDA-certified for medical use, are supposed to be disposable and single use, and are supposed to be replaced every two hours. That is correct. However, we stupidly ceded our means of production to China, in search of cheap labor, and currently we do not even have the industrial capacity to make more in significant numbers. We lack the materials too, as China took over the production of the blown mesh that goes inside the interior layer of N95s and ASTM masks. The shortage of PPE is what made us use these masks for longer and even reuse them, with certain precautions. That is not ideal. The same shortage made us use cloth masks, which are inadequate for the size of the coronavirus.

    2. My meta-analysis actually does take into account the other issues, because I showed you ONE of the tables with 29 articles, but the full meta-analysis looked at 216 articles, also addressing social distancing, eye protection (goggles, face shields), etc. ALL of these showed reduction in relative risk. While I uploaded only one table, I did give you the link, and the full article has numerous other tables and analysis of all the other papers. It's a very large meta-analysis with very numerous papers being considered. This is a very authoritative and definitive scientific proof of the usefulness of these measures.

    3. Surface contamination was initially said to be very important in the transmission of COVID-19. It's been revised down to a very significant degree. It is now estimated that while these cases do exist, they are responsible for only 2% of the transmission. The way to deal with it is NOT not wearing a mask, but rather, washing hands frequently, using alcohol-based sanitizing gel, and using disinfectant wipes, and not touching the mask with soiled hands, and washing the hands or using hand sanitizer before and after you touch the masks.

    4. While reuse is not ideal, the problem of mask contamination with viable viral particles can be dealt with by other means. A Lancet paper showed viable virus in used masks for up to 7 days but no longer than 7 days. So, a recommended method (actually used in my hospital during the beginning of the outbreak before we were able to acquire more PPE) was to get 7 paper bags, and at the end of the day (I know, not ideal, but we did what we had to do) carefully remove the mask by the ear loops, making sure that there would be no contact with the outer surface of it, and placing the mask inside a paper bag again not touching it other than touching the ear loops. Once done, immediately wash the hands. So, the paper bags were marked Sunday through Saturday on the outside. We'd then allow the mask to rest untouched until the day of the week marked outside of the paper bag arrived again, by which point all SARS-CoV-2 potentially present in the mask would be dead.

    Is this just valid for healthcare facilities? Of course not. The masks don't suddenly stop working just because you wear them in a place that is not a healthcare facility.

    Let's talk about your home.

    Say that you get COVID-19, it's a mild case, you don't need to be in a hospital, you are told to quarantine at home, but you want to keep your family safe from the viruses that you are shedding. You have a box of 50 ASTM level 3 masks (which CAN be found, and are in-stock from certain vendors for about $60). Say that you want to do a very good job and while awake and not alone in a room, say, 12 hours per day, you do change your mask every two hours. You'd use 6 masks per day... place them in paper bags... have 6 more for each day of the week... so 42 masks... have 8 more as spares in case some get torn or soiled. Say that you're able to reuse them 3 times. With ONE box of ASTM level 3 masks (which are resistant to wetness, by the way), you'd have passed the whole quarantine and convalescence period for someone with a mild case of COVID-19 not requiring hospitalization.

    Would this procedure lower the odds that you'd pass the disease to one of your family members? You bet. You can count on it. It definitely would. Would it bring it down to zero? No, it wouldn't. But would you rather protect your loved ones at least to a certain degree, or not at all? Your choice. Not the hardest choice to make...

    What you are not considering is that when the sick persons breathes WITHOUT a mask everything gets even MORE contaminated. So masks don't allow for absolute protection... but they do lower the odds of transmission.

    You'll say, "but these surgical masks don't have a good seal; they would still leak the virus from the sides." Uh, nope. I can teach you how to avoid that, too. There are even better methods than this one, but they are more elaborate and time consuming and more expensive (I can teach those too if you want), so here is a cheap and simple one:



    PFE (particle filtration efficiency) of ASTM level 3 masks enhanced by the three rubber bands at 0.1 micron (the size of the coronavirus) as certified by the FDA and as tested by the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine: 98%.

    So, my question to you is, would you expose your family to 100% of your shedded viruses if you get COVID-19 but you are not sick enough to be admitted to a hospital, or would you rather expose them to only 2% of your shedded viruses? Give me the latter any day.

    Oh, and do you want to sterilize masks at home? You can do it to. You don't need a hospital autoclave. See this video, skip to 6'30" for the instructions:

     
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    Dr. Harvey Risch, a professor of epidemiology at Yale as well as the director of that school's Molecular Cancer Epidemiology Laboratory, states in a Newsweek op-ed this week that "the data fully support" the wide use of hydroxychloroquine as an effective treatment of COVID-19:

    "As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.

    "I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.

    "On May 27, I published an article in the American Journal of Epidemiology (AJE) entitled, "Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk COVID-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis." That article, published in the world's leading epidemiology journal, analyzed five studies, demonstrating clear-cut and significant benefits to treated patients, plus other very large studies that showed the medication safety.

    "Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic. They have done what the science shows is best for their patients, often at great personal risk. I myself know of two doctors who have saved the lives of hundreds of patients with these medications, but are now fighting state medical boards to save their licenses and reputations. The cases against them are completely without scientific merit.

    "Since publication of my May 27 article, seven more studies have demonstrated similar benefit. In a lengthy follow-up letter, also published by AJE, I discuss these seven studies and renew my call for the immediate early use of hydroxychloroquine in high-risk patients. These seven studies include: an additional 400 high-risk patients treated by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, with zero deaths; four studies totaling almost 500 high-risk patients treated in nursing homes and clinics across the U.S., with no deaths; a controlled trial of more than 700 high-risk patients in Brazil, with significantly reduced risk of hospitalization and two deaths among 334 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine; and another study of 398 matched patients in France, also with significantly reduced hospitalization risk. Since my letter was published, even more doctors have reported to me their completely successful use."

    https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeat...exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

    And in a video which was removed by Facebook and Youtube (typical) a group of doctors recently held a press conference covering several topics, including the use of hydroxychloroquine:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/oM5ufwqd8b5v/

    That's the full 43 minute address.

    You can watch a shorter version, in which Dr. Stella Immanuel (originally from Nigeria) talks about her success using the drug, here:

    https://www.brighteon.com/717a7b06-3194-4ec2-84e4-c3f449d71689

    And see what the CDC said a couple of years ago, recommending the stronger type, chloroquine, to ward off malaria:


    So the ban on the sale of hydroxychloroquine is not based on science.
     
  13. Curious Always

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    This is the same woman who believes that we use alien DNA in experiments and that STDs are caused by having sex with demons in your dreams?

    Credible science.
     
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    As you may know by now and if you're a baseball fan of the Marlins, Miami has cancelled some games due to the coronavirus. As you might also know It's gotten bad in Florida. You may have to wonder whether the Tampa Bay rays will cancel games as well, That remains to be seen. My advice is if you want to see baseball this season, watch it on TV or attend your local little league up to American Legion where it is available.
     
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    Have you done research on this?
    Americans are increasingly adopting the use of cloth face masks to slow the spread of COVID-19, and the latest science may convince even more to do so.

    In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.

    “We are not defenseless against COVID-19,” said CDC Director Dr. Robert R. Redfield. “Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus – particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities.”

    This review included two case studies out today, one from JAMA, showing that adherence to universal masking policies reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission within a Boston hospital system, and one from CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), showing that wearing a mask prevented the spread of infection from two hair stylists to their customers in Missouri.
     
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    Fat chance. Those who've decided to not wear masks will never change their minds.

    They now have a doctor who believes having sex with demons causes STDs. She says masks are dumb. They're sticking with her.
     
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    Trump Sr and Jr themselves have retransmitted the claims from this Demon Doctor how masks and COVID are a hoax, demons control the Earth, so much more!

    Its unbelievable the USA would ever have a leader like this!
     
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    Survey: Acceptance of face-mask guidance increased

    CDC analyzed data from an internet survey of a national sample of 503 adults during April 7–9 and found that about 62% said they would follow the newly announced recommendations to wear a face mask when outside the home. A repeat survey during May 11-13 showed that the percentage of adults endorsing face mask wearing increased to more than 76%.

    The increase was driven largely by a significant jump in approval by white, non-Hispanic adults, from 54% to 75%. Approval among Black, non-Hispanic adults went up from 74% to 82%, and remained stable among Hispanic/Latino adults at 76% and 77%.

    There was also a large increase in face-mask approval among respondents in the Midwest, from 44% to 74%. Approval was greatest in the Northeast, going from 77% to 87%.
     
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    Excellent news. All the holdouts are here on this forum, I guess.
     
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    I've got news for you pal! Those that don't wear them when they should, run the risk of consequences like catching the virus or giving it to others and making them sick with the virus. It pays to wear the mask. THe reason why the numbers are going up is because partly of those that go out in public not wearing the masks. If they don't want to wear the mask, then they can just stay home.
     
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    I just try to state the facts.
     
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    How is that news for me? You restated my point; you just used more words than I.
     
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    I can’t understand why ,in the 21st century, there are still people who fall prey to hogwash. Stella Immanuel is not a credible source.
     
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    You don't believe in demon seed and alien DNA? Hmmmm... maybe you're the science hater.:rock_slayer:
     
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    If we do what's right to combat the Coronavirus, We'll be alright sooner than later.
     
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