One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin

Seriously?

It's ok to carry a gun, but there are some very simple rules.

Think of it this way: it's ok to laugh in bed, it's not ok to point and laugh in bed.

Don't point!

Don't be in the commission of a crime and point.

If someone gets the drop on you whilst you're commiting a crime think very seriously about your next movement.

 

It's a huge no no and I think an arrest is forthcoming.

However, let's think for a moment. View it as a riddle. Three people collide randomly at a protest, they all have guns. Which one is an undercover cop?

 

Changing my opinion on the "Everybody get back!" yell. I don't think it was Foster or the driver, and the yell was "Everybody back up!".

In the video by the girl who is closest to the shooting, you can hardly hear the "Everybody back up!" I think someone is just telling the protesters either to back away from the car, or stop marching forward.



Link to video above: https://twitter.com/moonchynn/status/1287438000289456129

In the long version which everyone saw first, where the guy running the video starts out across the street, the yell is loud and easier to hear.

 

Someone slow motioned the girl's video and you can see the shots being fired from the car.



Link: https://twitter.com/endindust/status/1288177039493566464

 

Yeah but they can be used in the negative sense. Impeach one impeach them all and the common narrative they've manufactured.

 

So in the slow motion video (post #663), I don't see any protesters around the driver's car except for Foster. The police press briefing says there was witness testimony that Foster approached the driver's side window "as others in the crowd began striking the vehicle". I don't see that. Looks like just a face-to-face confrontation between Foster and the driver.

However, Foster approaching the vehicle alone and armed is probably enough for the driver's self-defense claim.

 

I think both situations are more of two people meeting at the wrong place at the same time. George Z was hot headed due to constant criminal theft in his neighborhood. George has shown since that he is an aggressive personality and most likely walked up to Trayvon accusing him right off the bat. While Trayvon was probably angry because he got kicked out of school, his mother kicked him out of the house to stay with his father who was probably angry at Trayvon for stealing and being kicked out of school. Thus, two hotheads meeting. I can see it moving multiple ways as a vocal confrontation from both getting angrier til fists and guns start flying.

So far as we know, the only person yelling was Foster from the recording and Foster had been quoted numerous times with aggressive stances on potential action. We still have to see what the investigation shows about the mental state of the driver as well. But, Foster had been quoted even the same day with aggressive stances. He was already in a bad state of mind and was not peaceful while walking around with an AK.

 

You gentlemen do understand that Trump's hard-hitting personality makes it "convenient" for the left to say the same thing about him and stereotype all of his supporters in the same light, yes? No?

There is very little tolerance in politics on either side today with the extreme partisans.

There does exist a moderate liberal element of voters who recognize the danger to the country posed by the BLM extremists, the Cultural Marxist movement, the White Fragility silencers, and the Cancel Culture. But as long as the extreme partisan right keeps lumping them in with the extreme left, they are every bit as fearful that the right also has an authoritarian and intolerant bent. Trump could easily be moving the middle-left to vote for him with his law-and-order policies, but for his personality, which scares the bejeezus out of them...so they'll stick with Biden and hope in vain that the Marxists don't steamroll over Dementia Joe (which they will).

This would be a very good time in politics to make strange bedfellows and for the moderate left and everyone who leans right to unite and wipe out Cancel Culture and the Marxist revolt, but some insist on shooting insults at potential allies along with the enemy. Trump is definitely not capable of making any sort of truce happen, and Biden is going to get run over and make the Far Left even more powerful.

Waiting for a better 2024.

 

I agree, except that I don't hear Foster or the driver yelling. The "Everybody back up," yell was someone else (after comparing two videos), and I don't hear much other yelling outside of general panic from the crowd.

 

Nice little Tweet today from Austin Police Department about 1st Amendment Rights....and a legal reminder of where they belong.

 

I realize liberals crawl out of their holes to point at Trump and proclaim that to the heavens daily. So I’m crawling out of my hole to point out that Many in the BLM movement are calling inaction violence action. Only fair huh ?

 

New police statement Tweet from about 20 minutes ago.

 

Cool. Teaching the little ones safety.

I learnt that in 1st grade.

 

Good.

Im still in the camp that with that many BLM protestors as there were in that area if any had a video showing him as the victim we would all have it by now. And with the prevalence of people filming everything theses days it’s hard to believe there is not videos of this on multiple phones. So I’ll jump headfirst into the “video show this guy was at fault of acting like thug” lake and thus these protestors will not release video showing that.

 

Sure. An eye for an eye leaves both people blind in one eye, then the next person comes after the other one.

 

Gun talked about shooting cops when asked why he had a AK47. Then went on to say in the same 2 min video since he had that rifle anybody who would say anything to him would not because they were a p@@@y.

That’s a guy with “gotta gun” courage and a confrontational attitude. He ended up right where that often ends for people, dead.

 

If BLM stops being portrayed as a inclusive peaceful group then they won’t be called out when they act differently. Recall that “silence in violence” is the shortened form of “white silence is violence”

Not inclusive nor peaceful is it?

 

Not even the "normal" left believes the media vomit that BLM is peaceful any more. "Silence is violence" is for anyone who is not a Cultural Marxist. It doesn't matter race or non-Marxist political party...except maybe Marxist-Libertarian sympathizers get a temporary pass. lol

 

Right now people are afraid to question anything BLM does publicly least they be called a racist. We in effect have a group based on race and nothing more able to go unchallenged by anyone who does not want to be labeled racist. Weird. That’s never going to be productive long term.

 

Yeah...It may not be that clear cut to a Grand Jury.

There is a guy in the slow motion video who is walking south, behind Foster and the driver, looking at them.

This is the first time the driver shot Foster. Looks like he hit him in the chest or shoulder. Foster's right arm is down by his side and you can see his hand is not on not the rifle. Note position of the guy in the short-sleeved black T-shirt, black pants, and black cap looking at the car.





The guy in the black T-shirt starts to walk quickly and is in between the camera and Foster at the second gun shot.

This is the third gunshot which appears to hit Foster either in the heart or maybe throat. The guy in the short-sleeved T-shirt has now passed Foster to the south is now out of frame. Foster starts to fall to the ground after this bullet (and the girl starts screaming and running away while two more shots are fired).




This is the still photo from unknown source on the other side of the car. It's possible/probable that Foster had already been shot one (or two) times and his elbow up in the air is him grabbing for his chest or shoulder where he had been wounded. Alternatively, the first shot might have missed even at very close range, and Foster is now going for his rifle (in self defense, having been shot at once). Notice the guy in the black T-shirt is now behind him to the south, but still looking at the driver. The "flare" in the rear windshield might be a reflection of the second (or third) shot's flash.

 

I’m not following your train of thought. Who is the guy in the shirt sleeve tshirt? What does he have to do with anything in regards to foster?

The rifle does not need to be pointed at the driver for it to be a threat. Who would wait for what they perceive to be a deadly threat from firearm for the firearm to be pointed at them? If the driver shot foster before the rifle was raised in this situation. I’m in full support.

The interview said volumes about fosters mindset, I have no illusion he went from that aggressive crap talking video to becoming a peace loving guy who was unlucky enough to be in a situation that turned into this. It turned out exactly how one would expected from what he says in that video.

He had a gun, he had the power and anybody who would might want to challenge him was really a “p***y” and would not in fact challenge him. His words...

Then he gets involved in a car being mobbed by protestors..thinks the crowd and the gun give him the leverage to play tough guy over the driver and be the crowds hero. End result is he picked a car that was not what he counted on.

That makes more sense to me than the driver being the aggressor and by chance stumbling upon the guy who filmed that video in the crowd.

 

It's probably a short-term "fad" in what will soon become American history, since some very well-known liberals are starting to get fired, get cancelled, get called "racists". The sensible left is starting to talk about the need to defend free speech against these crazy people.

Too bad Trump doesn't have the finesse to bring them to our side, since we on the right totally understand and empathize with being "shut down". As mentioned though, they see Trump and the dug-in right just as dangerous as the Marxists. Liberals are sort of "in limbo" right now. They don't agree with conservative policies and they're terrified of the Far Left.

 

Just sayin'...we don't know all of the facts. The guy in the shirt was walking down Congress from the back of the car south in the direction the car is facing. (The car is facing south.) Foster is shot while the black-T-shirt guy is passing. In the still photograph the guy has passed Foster and is further south of him. That means Foster had already been shot at least once at the time of the still photograph where his elbow is in the air.

There may or may not be any video turn up of Foster actually going from pushing the wheelchair to approaching the car, but when he was shot the first time, his right hand is down by his side. He was not holding the rifle, so he could not have been pointing it at the driver, as the driver testified to the homicide detective. If Foster approached the car with both hands at his sides, and not touching the rifle, then the driver perjured himself, and it could make a difference to a Grand Jury.

 

I agree. Long term they end hurting their cause more than helping it.

 

If that’s the case I would agree.

I just can not connect the way he spoke and his mindset and the encounter and not think it drove the result. Unless the driver was just like him, not sure of the chances of that and the two meeting that night,