New Covid-19 Research has Stunning Findings!

This is exactly wrong.

We use mathematical modeling to estimate flu deaths. If we counted flu deaths in the same way that we counted covid-19 deaths, i.e. flu is listed on the death certificate, then the single deadliest year of the flu killed only 15,500 Americans.

Yes, that is counting actual deaths.

 

The things you "know" are based on pure conspiratorial bullshit.

 

You can't argue with that. I mean it. You really can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You said it's wrong and then you referred to a flu season.

We count flu based on season. you just did it so if you say that's wrong then you are wrong because you just did it.

But not necessarily caused by covid-19 just with covid-19.

 

Your post made no reference to the seasonal aspect of the flu. You merely said that "if we count the deaths like we count covid deaths it's not a drop in the bucket." I am telling you that if we counted covid-19 deaths in the same way as we count flu deaths, then there would be even more covid-19 deaths. Conversely, if we counted flu deaths in the way that we count covid-19 deaths, there would be significantly less influenza deaths.

And there is no season to covid-19, as far as we know so far, and that is another reason why covid-19 is even more dangerous.

That particular aspect is counting everyone who died in that time frame, regardless of cause, and then comparing those numbers against the averages of all-cause of death for that same time and place. Many of these people that are currently not being counted probably died solely because of covid-19, but they died in a place (at home) where they might be missed by the official counts. But of course, some could have died of reasons only tagentially related to covid-19 (i.e. depression resulting in suicide).

Either way, I have seen no evidence to support the notion that health reporters are substantially over-counting the covid-19 deaths and there is strong evidence that we are substantially under-counting the covid-19 deaths.

 

I'm not too blame for you comparing a single season of an endemic infection to this pandemic.

Perhaps that is your desperation to politicize it.

I was exactly correct. We start at zero every season if flu.

Just because you are telling me something doesn't make it true.

You are incorrect. The flu is endemic.

In just one season perhaps. But starting at zero at one point is different than counting them all as one event.

So you are incorrect.

Less dangerous.

The number of deaths related to the flu dwarfs covid-19. The flu is endemic.

You don't want to see it.

 

Just so I can be clear about the limits of your logic here. You think the flu (with its multiple different strains) is more dangerous than covid-19 because it has been around for longer and because you regularly find influenza each year?

Is that your only point?

 

You are in no position to talk about the logic of others. You are comparing a single season of an endemic virus to one that hasn't become endemic yet. That's your fallacy.

No because it is endemic.

Well my point is you don't argue in good faith. You have a belief and you want to assert it as fact. I'm not sure why though I expect it's political.

 

Excess deaths takes into account those "huge number of people die in this country every year - millions"! That is why it is called excess deaths

 

Speaking of pure conspiratorial bullshit...

The ChiFlu Hoax is the most dangerous popularly supported mass delusion since Nazism.

Don't be a COVIDupe.

 

Well, if you were a complete ignoramus or conspiracy-mongering fool you could.

Good to see you boarding the logic train.

 

Wha'?

Just don't be a COVIDupe - think logically & inform yourself.

 

The argument here, for you, is that it is improper to compare an endemic infectious disease to a novel infectious disease?

I mean...I guess I agree? The fact that the influenza is endemic also means that it's loss of life is expected, it has known therapeutics, and a vaccine. Covid-19, being novel, does not have any of those going for it.

But my point is that this virus is very dangerous and the likelihood that contracting this virus will result in death is much higher than the likelihood that contracting the seasonal flu will result in death.

 

Just so I can wrap my head around this - when you call the virus a hoax, are you suggesting that the hundreds of thousands dead worldwide did not actually die from the virus or that the millions infected in America alone did not actually get infected by Covid-19?

 

An awful, shocking situation likely to get worse, too, because the economy is very close to falling apart and millions of people could be without a place to live.

Good luck getting through to @Antiduopolist. His handle suggests he may have some interest in or knowledge of economics, but he doesn't appear to understand the danger the virus presents to the economy.

 

I notice you didn't bother addressing what @CenterField wrote.

 

Here is something that will get your allergies to truth up and running: https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chine...to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

A Nobel virologist means nothing to you, of course.

You are losing control of your narrative sir. If you ever had control of it....

 

Typical Trump supporter projection. Trump politicized the virus with disastrous results for Americans' health and for the economy. British Columbia (5m people) never had a stay-at-home order and sits here...



Why aren't we doing as well?

Health.com:

"Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. ​

The annual death rate depends on the specific strain of the virus that is dominant, how well the vaccine is working to protect against that strain, and how many people got vaccinated, according to Dr. Adalja. The flu can be harder to fight off for specific populations, such as infants and young children, the elderly, and people who are immunocompromised due to chronic illnesses such as HIV or cancer."​

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

 

Both parts of your post are exactly on target. The CDC estimates flu deaths... always on the high side too, as the thought was to scare people into accepting the flu shot which is only accepted by 50% of Americans. While COVID-19 deaths are truly counted. There are sources saying that if the CDC were to count flu deaths with the same rigor of the COVID-19 count, we'd see 6 times fewer true flu deaths.

And then of course the excess deaths count, as compared to similar calendar periods of years past, is the strongest argument in favor of the FACT that COVID-19 deaths are real and likely badly undercounted.

But the thing is, you won't ever convince these people here. There's an user here who is already berating you for your accurate statement about all cause deaths (which went up by 80% to 300% in certain COVID-19 epicenters according to CDC tables that can be publicly consulted on their website), aparently not even understanding what the death by all causes stats teach us.

Maybe, as a matter of fact, this is partially explained by your statement above, likely unintentionally, being a bit confusing to them. You said "That particular aspect is counting everyone who died in that time frame, regardless of cause, and then comparing those numbers against the averages of all-cause of death for that same time and place" and placed a period there, when you should have completed the phrase with "in years past." It's implied in "averages" but sometimes you have to be really explicit to be understood.

You (like me) are trying to fight off such ingrained cognitive distortions that it is pretty useless. We try, though...

 

When you search the internet for proof to your conspiracy theory, you will find it.

 

You don't know that! So why make that claim? Your absolutes are absurd when talking about science. Brett Weinstein is a serious scientist . He was careful in not speaking in absolutes given what is involved in genetics.. As any unbiased scientist should be.

 

~ There is a reason China did allow investigation of the Wuhan laboratory and not disclose the facts about the virus . WHO is an accomplice. Neither can be trusted. ✖

 

Your point is moot. I never once said the virus wasn't dangerous.

 

You are doing it too. You are comparing a single season of an endemic virus to covid-19.

That is dishonest that is you politicizing this, and it's fallacious. Thanks for playing.

 

Seasonal flu is controlled by vaccines but what if it was not? Defended by the same methods would one be worse than the other or much the same?