Wear Your Mask. Please. No, Not on Your Chin.

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    nra37922 Well-Known Member

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    Yet the experience in Key West, which had made a living off providing a place to escape the world’s troubles, shows that while adopting state and local mask regulations may be politically difficult, making sure they are obeyed can be just as hard.

    Code officers said the tourist in that case, Joshua Gomez, a 25-year-old from Sebring, Fla., had been warned previously and was spotted a second time in a restaurant without his mask properly on his face. The video shows him with his mask back on — with his nose showing at times — while he refused to turn over his driver’s license. He walked out with his hands up in the air as he repeated: “You’re not touching me. I’m not touching you.”

    Mr. Young, who had called the police, pushed his body against Mr. Gomez and tried to block his exit. Mr. Gomez wrestled away, and Mr. Young, a former police officer, briefly pinned him against a post by his neck, according to the video; with Ms. Kobylas’s help, he held him until the police arrived while Mr. Gomez hurled a collection of invectives.

    Mr. Gomez, whose lawyer declined to comment, was arrested and accused of disorderly conduct and two counts of felony battery after the code enforcement director said he had been “chest bumped.”

    As the police officers were debating what to cite him with, Officer Michael Andruzzi, whose comments were captured on the Police Department’s footage, made the case for tough charges. “Make a point,” he said. “This is what the city wants, this is what the city gets.”


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    I would just escort Mr. Gomez out of Key West and say good riddance...
     
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    I think many cities in Florida are debating what to do with this type of people. Because there is no guidance (or intrest) from the state government. In this case it looks like battery was involved. And the guy refusing to identify himself should trigger... whatever mechanisms are in place. But in general, at this point, I would simply issue a citation to appear in court and a hefty fine would be appropriate for their first offense.
     
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    seriously? Many municipalities already know what to do. They issue fines. Masking up, no matter how ineffective, is now a means to revenue. If you don't mask up, you pay a fine to the city/county coffers. Next up, checking for any open areas around your mask and issuing a fine if you are not in compliance with the correct usage of said ineffective mask. Revenue and control baby. Masking up and lockdowns do not eradicate the virus nor as time has shown, mitigate it. Lockdown 2.0 coming to Australia because lockdown 1.0 and masking up did nothing


    virus is gonna do what a virus is gonna do

    All we can do is grow immunities
     
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    Good for them! They're going to need it to deal with the losses because of the people that, due to their ignorance, they infected and ended up dying. A fine is a small price to pay for refusing to educate themselves. Death is a large prize to pay for those who did educate themselves.
     
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    it is due to loss of revenue but the number of deaths is not the reason for that, especially given that the majority are elderly. It's the business closures, the loss of parking and parking fine revenue, the reduction in moving violation fines and people who have lost their jobs due to ineffective lockdowns, and go delinquent on property taxes
     
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    That's true. But they can't fine Trump, who was the ultimate person responsible for causing all that through his incompetence.
     
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    oh that's right I forgot, Trump created the virus. Trump also created the 2nd wave in Australia despite Australia locking down and masking up yet.............................corona is still there and now lockdown 2.0

    Yup, all the fault of Trump

    Seriously?

    Look at the death toll and the demographics of those who die due to corona. It's elderly and those with serious comorbidities

    The young are not dying due to covid (very rare exceptions) much like the young tend not to die from the flu with rare exceptions.

    A one-size-fits-all approach just doesn't work because we need to focus on those who are risk to die, not worry about catching covid.

    Those high-risk folks should lock down and et Covid work its way through the herd so we can reach immunity

    That has nothing to do with politics
     
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    use my whole quote

    oh that's right, I forgot. Trump created the virus

    that is in essence where you are. You want a virus to be political and then blame one person, one person, one person yet the virus rages around the word despite lockdowns, despite masking up, despite social distancing. But it's all Trump's fault. There are no measures taken by governments that will stop the virus. It's all kabuki theater so there is an appearance that something is being done.

    Look at Australia where they masked up, had lock downs, yet they are now in lockdown 2.0
    The people actually believed that locking down and masking up would stop the virus from spreading yet here they are. THeir govt told them lockdown 1.0 was needed and now lockdown 2.0

    Do the same thng again and hope for better results? The only difference here is that the virus has had time to spread so it's on the way to winding down and herd immunity being reached. It's going to take time whether you mask up and lock down or do nothing, the end result will be the same

    Yet you want to make it about one person in the entire world. That is quite pathetic. There is more in life than hatred toward one man
     
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    I only quote what I respond to. And I usually only respond to posts that might constitute real arguments. To the rest I only respond (and quote) if I can think of something funny to say about it.

    You know what you write. Why do you want me to quote it?

    Exactly! That's how it works in countries that don't have a complete moron heading the government. You open, see how it goes, ready to close if the numbers start increasing too much. That's how ti will go... over and over... until there is a vaccine (or a cure, but that's less likely).

    Not in this country. Here the Idiot in Chief was calling for people to rise against the governors of states that had shut down in the FIRST lockdown.

    And in states where he has his lapdogs, like my own (Florida), the incompetent governor refuses to lock down again despite the fact that cases are shooting through the roof.

    Anybody who believed that is an idiot. Only thing that will stop the virus is a vaccine. What masks and lockdown do is save as many lives as possible without completely destroying the economy beyond repair.

    People just need to get better educated on what these things are for, what to expect,... reality... There are no "miracle cures", there is nothing that will "stop" the virus short of a vaccines, there is no assurance of anything except that if we follow expert advice, thousands of lives will be safe. And that if we follow Trump's advice... you'd probably be looking at the number of dead approaching 7 digits.

    Look.... We know more about this virus now than we knew last month... way more than we knew in February, when all this started. Doctors have learned a lot about how to treat it. At first they were completely clueless. Every day they learn. Tomorrow they'll know more than they knew today. Next week they'll know even more. Next month, two, four, six ..... months from now they'll know much much more. So the trick is for as many people as possible to stay alive until there is a vaccine.

    Estimates are that by December, the number of dead in this country will be approaching 600 thousand. If 95% of the population wears a mask, about 70 thousand lives will be saved. These are estimates. But the point is that wearing masks save lives. That's one of the few known facts that we have. Will it "stop" the virus?... absolutely not.... but they could save thousands of lives.

    The worst enemy is disinformation!
     
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    [QUOTE="Golem, post: 1071938271, member: 70622"

    The worst enemy is disinformation![/QUOTE]


    I could not agree more. That is why it's vital to see the abject failure of lockdowns and masking up. Herd immunity and later, a vaccine is the path forward, like with all viruses
     
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    If you cannot support your claim with science, your claim is disinformation. And your post belongs in the Conspiracy forum. Easy as that.

    Wearing masks (and the other measures included in expert guidelines) is the only policy known to be effective in reducing the number of infected and the number of dead. The science to support this is overwhelming. And it has been posted in many threads. Here is some of the research I have in my bookmarks.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768533
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-m...he-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298
    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083
    https://pws.byu.edu/covid-19-and-masks

    I could go on and on... But I expect to see references to the research that supports your statement.

    If you can't provide any, I'm sure that you can ask a mod to move your post to the Conspiracy forum. Because what you said is not just false. It's dangerous. It can cost lives.
     
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