Again your post misses the point and makes no sense. Never did I argue or would anyone argue mass murders are not hellish. In fact to state mass murders are hellish is trite. Telling someone fat people are fat means what exactly? Next you have once again misrepresented what I said and projected your views on me. Never at any time have I argued that race motivated state killings are worse than other state killings. You are. Not me, you. You are the one assuming that when someone like me says each genocide has its own unique characteristics, I am measuring them. No I am not you are. You did it yet again with your question..tell me which was worse, Hitler's atrocities or Mao's. You again compare genocides not me. I have argued your question and your continuing attempts to compare genocides as if they are all the same so you compare them by total number of dead is ignorant. What person compares genocides as you do and why. When you compare them as you do, you trivalize them. Mao's political system that led to the death of millions in China and Hitler's regime that led to the deaths of millions in Germany were different. The fact many died does not mean the total numbers makes one more immoral than the other. If you do not want to read what I write don't but don't come on this forum and assume what I think and ask me to engage in your absurd, simplistic thought processes which compare deaths in genocides. No death not one death is morally acceptable in a genocide. The total amount of deaths does not make them any more or less moral. Think about that because its a basic point of morality you don't seem to grasp. Next no Mao did not orchestrate the murders that arose in his regime because of Chinese being Chinese. However Hitler's decision to single out Jews across Europe and receive assistance from many people in many nations was based on a concept that Jews were not human and worthy of live. In Mao's case we can and should study how the value of life was perceived in China after 1949 and how and why so many starved or died as they struggled to east and survive in a mass change over in a bankrupt country unable to feed itself. The point is Chinese were not singled out simply for being perceived as Chinese. To understand what led Mao to his beliefs you need to take the time to understand his reasons and motivations were not identical to Hitler's. Neither were Stalin's. Some genocides are based on targetting a specific religious group or ethnicity or perceived race or even sex or sex preference. Some are based on political ideology, others on nationality. The civil war in Sri Lanka which led to mass murders was not based on religion. It was based on two groups of people of two distinct religions but not based on their religion or not just because of their skin colour. To understand a genocide of any people we need to take the time to break down the history and origins of the conflict not ask stupid pointless questions like whose death was more important or worse. You are doing that not me. Stop comparing the deaths of anyone to anyone else. Honour each one at one spiritual level and on another level try make an effort to pull yourself out of your perceived world where you imagine everyone thinks like you and try understand some of us do not and find what you say objectionable. Your comments are ignorant of the dead. It turns different conflicts into one football score.
That was simply too long to finish. In argumentation, the use of an excessive amount of warrants is generally considered to appear defensive. Brevity generally is better at keeping one’s audience too. I’m not sure why you feel so challenged by a stranger on a small political forum. Even a casual observer cannot help but notice that Trump or any perceived evil politician is never compared to Stalin or Mao. That is my point. When people think of someone they consider evil, it’s always Hitler.
Again Cer your post misses the point and makes no sense. Never did I argue or would anyone argue mass murders are not hellish. In fact to state mass murders are hellish is trite. Telling someone fat people are fat means what exactly? Next you have once again misrepresented what I said and projected your views on me. Never at any time have I argued that race motivated state killings are worse than other state killings. You are. Not me, you. You are the one assuming that when someone like me says each genocide has its own unique characteristics, I am measuring them. No I am not you are. You did it yet again with your question..tell me which was worse, Hitler's atrocities or Mao's. You again compare genocides not me. I have argued your question and your continuing attempts to compare genocides as if they are all the same so you compare them by total number of dead is ignorant. What person compares genocides as you do and why? Why would you think you need compare them as you do? Mao's political system that led to the death of millions in China and Hitler's regime that led to the deaths of millions in Germany were different. You may not understand why and from the sounds of it never will make an effort to find out why, but some of us when we teach and explain history unlike you go further in our explanations and challenge others to do the same. The fact many died does not mean the total numbers makes one set of deaths more immoral than the other. Think about how illogical it s to contend death's immorality is defined by the amount of people killed. Try. If you do not want to read what I write don't but don't come on this forum and assume what I think and ask me to engage in your absurd, simplistic thought processes which compares deaths in different genocides as if the only measuring tool to understand them is their total amount of deaths which you keep doing. No death not one death is morally acceptable in a genocide. The total amount of deaths does not make them any more or less moral. Think about that because its a basic point of morality you don't seem to be able to grasp. Next, no Mao did not orchestrate the murders that arose in his regime because of Chinese being Chinese. However Hitler's decision to single out Jews across Europe and receive assistance from many people in many nations was based on a concept that Jews were not human and worthy of living simply because they were Jews. In Mao's case we can and should study how the value of life was perceived in China after 1949 and how and why so many starved or died as they struggled to east and survive in a mass change over in a bankrupt country unable to feed itself but it can't be done if we use your absurd simplistic and imbecilic belief that analysis of genocide is based on total number of deaths. The point is Chinese were not singled out simply for being perceived as Chinese and so to properly understand their death you will need to stop being so damn intellectually lazy and dishonest and trying to reduce their deaths to a number like a football score and then falsely state I compare genocides like you do and think the holocaust is more immoral then other genocides. I never have argued such a thing-you do. I argue all genocides present immorality and humankind at their worst BUT FIR DIFFERENT REASONS and if you and I do not take the time to analyze those differences, we will NEVER learn to prevent any of them from happening again. To understand what led Mao to his beliefs you need to take the time to understand his reasons and motivations were not identical to Hitler's. Neither were Stalin's. Some genocides are based on targeting a specific religious group or ethnicity or perceived race or even sex or sex preference. Some are based on political ideology, others on nationality. The civil war in Sri Lanka which led to mass murders was not based on religion. It was based on two groups of people of two distinct religions but not based on their religion or not just because of their skin colour. To understand a genocide of any people we need to take the time to break down the history and origins of the conflict not ask stupid pointless questions like whose death was more important or worse. You are doing that not me. Stop comparing the deaths of anyone to anyone else. Honour each one at one spiritual level and on another level try make an effort to pull yourself out of your perceived world where you imagine everyone thinks like you and try understand some of us do not and find what you say objectionable. Your comments are ignorant of the dead. It turns different conflicts into one football score.
In epistemology, one follows what are considered lines of evidence to what can best be described as the truth of a proposition. What people are offended by is irrelevant. And I will not put up with you or anyone else telling me what to say or do. I hope this is clear!
Again your point makes no sense. First off you do not know what other people think when they think of evil. Some think Charlie Manson. Some think their employer, others their mother in law. You do not know. Evil is a relative concept and depends on the individual and their culture and values. Stop labeling everyone. Next when analyzing Trump, no one has compared him to Mao or Stalin at this time because he hasn't exterminated anyone...yet. However he does use techniques and has ideologies similiar to populist demagoguery and chauvinism used by Hitler and Mussolini or other totalitarian dictators who cultivated or cultivate personality cults and so its not unusual to see he admires dictators like Putin, Kim, and Erdogan. In fact he has incredibly similar oral gestures, comments and populist ideology exploiting peoples' insecurities and fears not that different from Hitler and Mussolini.He is so similar to Mussolini when he talks people have videos now of the two side by side giving speeches and it is shocking how similar their comments and gestures are. That however has nothing to do with the points I made challenging the points you made. I think I will stop. Its clear you are operating in another universe and one where different verb tenses alone might cause you distress. I do not mean to do that.
Probably best you do stop as this is clearly highly emotional to you. Dude, you and I are two people on a small political forum. Nothing we say or do will change even a tiny thing in the world of international politics. Go out and find a girl and get laid and enjoy life. It will be over before you know it.
You're right, bro. Despite the fact that the Jewish terrorist state "Isreal" murdered many innocent Palestinians, we cannot understand the HC as an anticipated punishment for those crimes. These things should be dealt with separately. The Holocaust can also never serve to pre-wash any Israeli crimes.
Well that’s six million Jewish people in the Holocaust and we know that Israel has killed far more Palestinians than that, right? And we know Jewish people in Germany were regularly committing acts of terrorism against Germany and the Palestinians have never ever done this in Israel, right? The juxtaposition is absurd.
Nope, Zionist/Israeli crimes claimed approximately 1 million lives, whereas the Nazis murdered 13 million and communists killed nearly 100m. The raw body count isn't really important. What matters more is the intent of the perpetrators.
Last I checked 1 million is less than six million and the one million number seems rather suspiciously high. But you are correct. Most of the Nazi murders were likely accidents, right. Whoopsies for Stalin and Mao as well. None of that was intentional, right? Also Israel constantly faces an existential threat not only by the Palestinian terrorists but also by groups that sponsor them like the Nation of Iran who has vowed to destroy Israel. Israel has also warned people of their strikes beforehand and the governments have ordered people to stay in place so as to increase the death count It’s rather nostalgic to see anti semitism rising again. You can count yourself as a 21st century crusader. I would be uncomfortable operating as such though.
Those who condemn Zionist massacres are the new anti-Semites. Therefore I'm a proud anti-Semite. An anti-Semite who doesn't need to deny the Holocaust.
I challenge your holocaust denial and anti Israel agenda as is mybright. I have not told you what to think. On the other handvtg ed whole poi t of your response was to tell people shat they think, feel, and how they should define morality..so you were called out for your words. I hope that is clear. You do not get to come on this forum and tell me orcznyone elsecwe can not challenge your views.
Your responses show fractured syntax, a complete lack of any reasoning or cohesive thought and a hate agenda. Further your inability to respond to the points I challenged speaks for itsel as does the childish sex reference. My point was to illustrate you use this thread to engage in anti semitic rants as against Jews and to challenge and expose it and your responses. Yes there are a few bigots who take advantage of this forum to spew hatred but you quickly show just how lacking in substance you are in responses. To assume your words make anyone emotional is simply narcissistic delusion. Next thanks for using the thesaurus to try sound intellectual but your subjective assumptions about morality and all subjective postulationsare not based on truth just your subjective postulations which you have revealed as based on irrational hateful impulses and sexual insecurity.
Yes and your intent as clearly illustrated in your words above is to deny the holocaust, incite hatred against Jews using anti Israel references, and illustrate how you intermix challenging the existence of Israel and hate attacks against all Jews. Lol I hear Stormfront ain't doing to well boys. Too bad.
I get to express my opinions. Given that you seem to be having trouble typing, perhaps you should try this again when less impaired.
You know what? The fact that you seem to lack any interest in anything happy and are fixated on arguing with strangers on a very small forum demonstrates traits I would consider to be psychologically unhealthy. The fact that you chose Death as your screen name kind of makes you creepy too. I still think you should try to find a girl and get laid and it might take the edge off. But I would still prefer to have no further contact with you. Cause you know...you’re creepy. Sorry!
Well I get it. Iran through it’s paid terrorist organizations get to attack Israel and Israel should not be allowed to counter attack. Israel warns people of their impending strikes and the people are ordered to stay in place maximizing casualties whose bodies can be shown on the news. Meanwhile people throughout the Middle East are allowed to shout the same filthy vile about Jews that the Nazis used and also without consequence just as Europeans and Americans did in the 1930s. My time machine works!!!
Iran is irrelevant. It is about the continued terror of the Zionists against the Palestinians. They are marginalized, racially discriminated, and ultimately murdered. It is the same evil spirit to which the Jews of Europe once fell victim under the Nazis. Can you see the parallels? That's fine. Do you also recognize that the Jews went from being victims to being perpetrators? Or rather not like that?
Agree with you to a point but it is important to point out that it is not all Jews that became perpetrators, not even all Zionist Jews.
It is not antisemetic to point out that some zionist jews have become perpetrators of Nazi like ideology.
