Donald Trump to Suspend Payroll Tax Until End of 2020

Oh but I'm not defending it. I'm just pointing out some of the consequences of Dems continually overreaching and ignoring the law when it favors them. This is a consequence of that very thing. There is no way for Dems to defend this without exposing thier own glaring hypocrisy.

Just so you know, I don't support Trump in this. But I can understand why he thinks he has the legal power to do so.

 

Wait...was this an admission that you think Trump is better than Obama was!?!?!?!

 

I do find it funny how often people switch from "BUT TRUMP!" In threads that have nothing to do with Trump....and then in another thread try to avoid talking about similarities between Trump and say...Obama.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

I’m not commenting on those other things. The subject of this thread is a payroll tax cut, and that does not help those who are most affected by Covid.

The other things may be ok, but a payroll tax cut is backwards. It helps those who don’t need help and reduces tax revenue that will be needed to pay for the other things.

 

Actually the OP makes mention of unemployment benefits also. Additionally it is something that both sides wanted. Trump is just extending things that were already agreed upon by both sides.

 

Just wanted to let you know that I agree that it doesn't make sense to suspend the payroll taxes for those that are working.

 

Obama didn’t do anything by executive order. He signed legislation.

And the circumstances are totally different. The country is trying to deal with trump’s disastrous management of Covid. Record unemployment. Record deaths.

It’s time for the country to help those who need it. Not give presents to those who don’t.

 

Yeah....well, I am not a 'Dem.' I am outside looking in, and it really is a huge piss-off to see here, constantly, the silly proposition that what Trump did or does is excusable 'cause some other idiot did it. Trump is POTUS. Deal with that.

 

That’s because of the headline of the article not the body of it which covers all those matters. Trump just as much said what he did about all those things as he did about the payroll tax. Floating the latter is simply leverage to get democrats to make a reasonable deal, because if they don’t he’ll do the one thing they oppose the most along with the rest of what almost everyone wants.

 

In order to deal with this particular bit is to point out exactly what I have. Otherwise it will continue. How things are done here in the US is very much based on precedent. Don't want something to happen? Then don't set new precedent unless you are prepared to accept the consequences of that precedent.

 

After all the legislature doesn’t matter if one can rule by his pen and his phone.....

 

That’s just sick. He’s threatening to do some that will hurt the country. The Democrats are trying to help the country’s most vulnerable and he’s playing politics.

So again, I’m not commenting on the other things, just the payroll tax cut. That doesn’t help the people who really need help.

 

Pretty much. That's the way it's always been. Even in the US. If a President can do something by pen then they will do it. If something was done by a previous President and they got away with it then you can bet that somewhere on down the line another President will do it also.

And the party to blame is the party that let that previous President do what they did. Hollering about a different President doing the same thing is just hypocrisy at best.

 

Both DACA and DAPA have already come to a legal ruling by the supreme court.

It's not really up to either political party to determine the legality of an executive action, that's the federal courts' job

 

Rubbish. POTUS does not and cannot set a binding precedent. That is for your SCOTUS.

 

Dapa has. The only ruling on DACA is that Trump just can't end it without going through the correct process. The legality of it was never determined.

Pretty sure both sides know the law enough to be able to tell what would be shot down by the courts. Problem is that both sides know that most laws will never be reviewed by the courts...much less make it to SCOTUS. So they take advantage of that fact and pass laws or EO's that they know would never make it.

 

I notice you threw in the word "binding" in there. As such I'm pretty sure that you know that what I said is true and just wanted to play a semantics game.

Of course a President doesn't set a binding precedent. But they can set A precedent nonetheless. And that precedent can be used by other Presidents. Until its challenged of course. But challenging it after letting the previous President get away with it has a consequence.

 

I don't think the average person gets housing from the federal government (i.e. the only people to which this executive moratorium on evictions can apply).

 

Good on the student loans mortgage and the unemployment.

The rest who cares means nothing to us
First the payroll tax deduction is better for the rich most of us middle class will get 30 40 a month more a month that we have to pay back come tax season. No thanks
Preexisting conditions are already covered under Obamacare so big deal.

 

Has he done this executive order? Or did Breitbart just write this article based on something Trump said he wanted to do?

 

And the rest of the EO? There's far more to it than that moratorium.

 

I believe the article states that Trump said that the lawyers were drawing it up.

 

Yes, it does appear to be an article based on something that Trump said he wants to do.

So I will reserve judgment until I actually see the order especially in light of the fact that he said he wants the order to include a protection of pre-existing conditions, which is already the law because of Obamacare.

 

Why would a 6mo to 1yr payroll tax holiday now from Trump hurt the country when it didn’t while Obama did it? I remember when Obama did it. I was part of a group that used all of that to buy Roth IRA’s so that it funded private retirement funds that will never be taxed. I’m going to do that again.

 

The payroll tax is capped at around $125,000 income a year so the really rich won’t benefit more than the upper middle class or the professional class from this and it will benefit the working and middle class the most as a % of income.